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2026 Super El Niño

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,788 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Very interesting, and climate change will make these events worse again.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 1,778 Mod ✭✭✭✭star gazer


    https://www.wunderground.com/article/news/climate/news/2026-05-07-super-el-nino-forecast-may2026

    "For example, parts of Africa, India, Australia, the Philippines, Indonesia, the Caribbean and northern South America trend markedly drier during El Niño.

    On the other hand, warm water and lighter trade winds typically sets the table for heavier rain in parts of Ecuador and Peru. Parts of eastern Africa, central Asia, Chile, Uruguay and Paraguay are also usually wetter than average during El Niño."

    It will also be wetter for much of the Southern US while it also dampens down Atlantic hurricanes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,587 ✭✭✭SeaBreezes


    How does Ireland generally fare during super El ninos?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,812 ✭✭✭pauldry


    Varies. Warmer and wetter but sometimes very warm Summers too. This Summer has been forecast warm on a lot of platforms more so in the South and East.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,987 ✭✭✭Billcarson


    I'd be surprised if this Nov and dec are not dull and very mild washouts. I'd therefore be surprised if there are not flooding issues in parts of the country by the end of the year.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,556 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    Is in not the summer following the El Niño that we feel it's effects? as in it'll be summer 2027 before we see anything?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,271 ✭✭✭compsys


    Yes — this is my understanding. The El Nino hasn't even occurred yet so it won't have any impact on our weather this summer. Or maybe even this winter. It's 2027 when most of the effects will occur. Although the correlation between El Nino and weather patterns in Europe is much weaker compared to places like Australia, California and parts of Asia.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 291 ✭✭TerrieBootson


    Dr Friederike Otto, Professor in Climate Science at Imperial College London

    "Not the reason to freak out"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,987 ✭✭✭Billcarson


    while there can be a certain amount of lag regarding next yr we will surely see its effects in some way next winter. For example the El Nino of 2015 I'm sure played a part in giving Ireland its warmest December on record that year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,671 ✭✭✭✭sryanbruen


    The North Atlantic cold blob was aided by the El Niño event which in turn was a massive player in the monsterous +NAO setup that drove Dec 2015. The North Atlantic is normally a bit cooler during an El Niño (the reverse of the Pacific) compared to a La Niña. 2023 was highly unusual in that regard but it’s been well documented that 2023 warmth was likely influenced by a change in regulations surrounding shipping aerosols or excess water vapour from Hunga Tonga.

    The stratospheric polar vortex (as much of a joke this has seemed in recent years) was also exceptionally strong driving home an enhanced Atlantic flow.

    Photography site - https://sryanbruenphoto.com/



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,987 ✭✭✭yagan


    That Tonga eruption sent loads of moisture up into the atmosphere that supposedly contribute to our very damp spring in 2023.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,987 ✭✭✭Billcarson


    wonder will we get a similar December this yr like 2015 with the cold blob + El Nino

    current Atlantic ssts

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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 1,778 Mod ✭✭✭✭star gazer


    https://www.rte.ie/radio/radio1/clips/22618025/ radio clip

    https://www.rte.ie/news/environment/2026/0602/1576289-el-nino-un/ article

    An outside possibility is Ireland getting a tropical storm/hurricane spin off from the Atlantic like Ophelia.

    There was an 1877 Super El Nino that heavily impacted several regions' food production at the time, causing many deaths from hunger, today we have better food systems but a lot more people and modern agriculture is still very dependent on a reliable climate.

    Given the world is heating up, it's also important to see how already elevated global temperatures increase the potential impacts of the extra heat from the expected El Nino in the next twelve months and how much the baseline global temperature is shifted upwards coming out of it.

    It could be 2027 when the broader impacts are most felt.

    Talking of ocean currents and heat transfers, Ireland has its own concerns scientists are flagging around a weakening of the AMOC which brings the heat that provides us with our milder Winters and helps bring plenty of moisture.



  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 81,524 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sephiroth_dude


    In late 17 we got ophelia and then in early 2018 we the beast from the east and then the summer was crazy warm, I remember we must have had 60 odd days in a row of really hot dry weather, was that an el nino event?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,671 ✭✭✭✭sryanbruen


    No, it was in fact the opposite. A rather weak La Niña event.

    Photography site - https://sryanbruenphoto.com/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,759 ✭✭✭esposito


    Hi @sryanbruen Has there been any cold/snowy winters in Ireland when there was a super El Niño? I’m guessing no but interested to see if any winter proved to be the exception to the rule.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,671 ✭✭✭✭sryanbruen


    The problem is there's been very few winters that can constitute as a super El Niño. The only years that apply are 1877-78, 1982-83, 1997-98 and 2015-16.

    Due to the very small sample size, these won't be of much use but this is how the most recent three years look on a month by month basis. The composite generator does not go back as far as 1877-78.

    December shows a rampant +NAO signature with deep Atlantic low pressure bringing very wet and stormy conditions. January shows more blocking in the higher latitudes but plenty of ridging over southern Europe as well meaning it's still a flat unsettled westerly for us. February gives mid-Atlantic ridging with low pressure focused towards Scandinavia. Still a good bit of ridging over southern Europe as well however. These composites lend to the theory that El Niño winters have higher possibility of -NAO later in winter compared to earlier.

    Looking at the individual years themselves, 1982-83 was mostly unsettled with a mild stormy January whilst February was colder and more wintry. February 1983 is by far the coldest month out of all of them here.

    1997-98 was exceptionally mild. December 1997 had a period of easterly winds but not a lot of cold air to tap into. Both January and February 1998 had record-breaking mild temperatures with 18C in January and 17s in February. January pretty unsettled and stormy until the final week whilst February was mostly dry.

    2015-16 had the wettest month recorded in Ireland in December 2015. January and February 2016 were also very wet giving one of the wettest winters on record in the country. There was some wintry weather in the form of flurries around Valentine's 2016.

    super el nino winters.jpg

    If we include the strong El Niños too rather than just the super ones, this is how the composites look.

    Similar theme in December, very unsettled and Atlantic driven. January and February a lot more interesting. January still leaning towards the mild unsettled side due to a west based -NAO signature. February is very blocked over Greenland with deep low pressure to our east. Still a bit of higher pressure in the med so not a clear cut cold chart but a lot better than the previous one. Again though there is a theme for -NAO later in the winter compared to earlier. Bear in mind, 1998 is the warmest February on record and 2024 was up there as well yet both were El Niño.

    strong el nino winters.jpg

    Photography site - https://sryanbruenphoto.com/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,759 ✭✭✭esposito


    Thanks so much for the detailed response.

    Well based on the above I think it’s safe to say that this December and most of January will probably be blowtorch southwesterly winter months and quite wet with perhaps a colder February 2027.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 1,778 Mod ✭✭✭✭star gazer


    2017 started with a weak la nina, moved marginally positive (neutral) over the Summer and went back to a weak la nina by the Autumn. My thinking on another tropical storm/hurricane getting closer to Ireland again is that the more heat in the system the more likely these events are going to be. They need warmer water to sustain their cohesion for the journey further north. There's some extra heat in the water along a potential path south south west of Ireland which is worth keeping an eye on for whether it heats up or otherwise relatively speaking. Countering that this year, the el nino does tend to limit tropical storm formation, hence the mostly lower than average hurricane season forecast. There's an argument that this super el nino rather sets the table for a future year of neutral/la nina that produces another such storm using the extra heat in the system and more favourable wind and moisture conditions. There comes a point when the extra heat in the system puts what we value in danger and my fear is that we are not acting commensurate to that danger yet and that this super el nino on top of existing extra heating will begin to expose frailties in global food supplies which in turn negatively impacts the architecture of modern societies.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 1,778 Mod ✭✭✭✭star gazer


    The latest ECMWF Nino3.4 SST anomaly forecast is very strong. Historic for the wrong reasons. While still a forecast it does emphasise the need to raise awareness of the threat and urgency to prepare for potential food production damage in certain regions of the world and food prices globally. All the extra heat in the system goes somewhere.

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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 1,778 Mod ✭✭✭✭star gazer


    The 2026 El Nino has formed and is expected to gain in strength. NOAA

    The probabilities point to a very strong El Nino towards the end of the year, start of next year.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 835 ✭✭✭lapua20grain




  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 1,778 Mod ✭✭✭✭star gazer


    As sryanbruen has above, the direct impact is potentially to be a warmer wetter winter. The broader global impact of a very strong El Nino should result in some areas getting a lot wetter and others getting a lot less rain and that could severely impact food production in several nations. Add that food production reduction to the problems currently impacting fertiliser supplies and the cumulative increase in global heat already impacting on global food systems and it could be a major impact on the supply of food. In Ireland that would be more price increases rather than significant shortages but in some parts of the world it could put severe pressure on a basic level of food for populations. Food price hikes, food shortages make people angry and desperate and that is destabilising for nations states which turns a weather crisis into a societal crisis and the heating humanity is putting into the system keeps making that more likely. The truth is because this El Nino could be unprecedented and indications are pointing in that direction, so the impacts could be unprecedented in directions/intensities that haven't been felt before. With the extra heat in the system, there's more energy for tropical storms but the nature of heat in the Nino area of the Pacific means the main development area of the Atlantic Hurricanes is suppressed, but it's still expected that there'll be 8-14 named storms. How the Atlantic Ocean sea surface temperatures manifest over the season will contribute to where and how intensely they will develop.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 1,778 Mod ✭✭✭✭star gazer


    An interview with Ben Noll on the David McCullagh show on the developing Super El Nino.

    https://www.rte.ie/radio/radio1/clips/22622711/

    We need to consider if some of the extra heat coming into Europe this month is related to the developing El Nino and whether the amount of heat that will get into Western Europe is going to increase as it develops further. What the extra global heat of this expected super el nino means in terms of heat-related problems on European agriculture and societies; the heat itself, the drought potential and the greater concentration of rainfall. All this on top of pre-existing global heating and not just this year but into 2027 and the aftermath. There are several other parts of the world that will likely be significantly more impacted by the el nino than Europe, but this is shaping up to be truly global in its impacts because the heat is likely to be unprecedented in scale.



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