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The disgusting racism in the Immigration thread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,625 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Yes apparently they have now .

    Fair dues 👍

    Hasta la pròxima , El Gato .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,194 ✭✭✭Gen.Zhukov


    I'd say the thread is due for a lock so I'll get my points in now

    Sinn Féin you mean? The same party that still occupies the opposition bench? The party that looked set to become the lead Govt party before they painted themselves into a corner with their immigration stance, as FFG burst their holes laughing at the stupidity of them

    The answer Billy was in my post you quoted but it doesn't seem you took much notice in your rush for the gotcha moment

    I've made it a bit easier for you showing the party prefs of the people polled

    IT poll 2 party pref.jpg

    Note the Green party prefs too - Remind me again what happened to them in the GE

    Back to the racism accusations in the OP. How come the McCarthyites that see reds racists under every bed aren't down at the RTE campus demonstrating about the lack of coloured newsreaders, presenters and massively overpaid management in the organisation? - That's where I'd start - They're brilliant at doing the Govt's bidding gaslighting the plebs that if they have a problem with the levels of immigration, then they're likely racists - not so good at hiring people of colour for the the big money roles eh

    Ah sure I probably sat beside ya on the tube at some stage - Defo some real racism that I encountered albeit somewhat insidious in nature. Two spring to mind - Arriving for an interview at a large computer company and at the reception the 40'ish yo receptionist: "Just take a seat over there and Mr Chang will be down shortly, don't worry, he's not Chinese" - I wasn't worried, Mr Chang could've jumped out of the lift Kung Fu style and I wouldn't have cared.

    Working in an Aerospace Co. The DEI type policy in play at the time meant the % needed of non-white was one person. Sure enough we had just the one person of colour as the labourer (a grand lad from Jamaica called Bill). I'm one of two in the sub-dept and the other lad leaves. Weeks later I ask the manager if there's any sign of the role being filled as I'm under pressure - the answer and I quote - "Well, we've had loads of applicants but you know who they're from" - Shocking stuff and no, I didn't call him out on it. The job went to a white lad from London previously working at Guinness UK. The lad from Pakistan that applied and had worked at British Aerospace didn't get it.

    That's proper racism at work right there - not the 'OMG, someone on facebook said something I deem a bit racist, it's disgusting'



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,611 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    What you say is very true of many discussion forums, not just this one.

    Holding a minority view on a thread is a perilous position. If you step any small bit out of line, you will be reported hundreds of times as you point out. Responding in kind is not worth it as there are too many posts to report, and you will end up in trouble with mods and admins.

    On some topics, Trump, Gaza, immigration, etc. it is very difficult to have a civilised conversation, even in real life. More people are holding extremist views and expressing them strongly. Even moderate opposition to those widely held extremist views is not tolerated. For example, I have described Trump as a stopped clock (right on Venezuela and Iran, but wrong on virtually everything else) and a horrible person to boot, but you would think from some of the responses that I am a dyed-in-the-wool MAGA supporter.

    I don't think it is possible to fix this on a forum like this. It will lead to reasonable minority positions being pushed out (they will be labelled as trolling or baiting as you suggest) and political and current affairs debates will become echo chambers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,138 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    That's been a trend in that thread for a while, any non white Irish person and you get complaints about them being interviewed or talking about their experience. And invariably they're attacked and accused of not being Irish. Moderation just don't tend to do anything. (That likely is because of crap tooling etc too to be fair)

    It's also saying a lot that posters are linking to polling, going on about fgm etc while ignoring the fact that this is an Irish person being targeted for their race. They seem incapable of understanding that there are non white Irish people and there has been for a pretty long time at this stage.

    Post edited by eightieschewbaccy on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,625 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    And it continues unabated .



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 191 ✭✭Thorny Queen


    Isn't it great to be so self righteous.

    It reminds me of that video of an anti racism march with mainly older middle class British people waving their flags. Guy comes along with a clipboard and ask them if they wanted to house a migrant. Of course they all Say No, apart from one lady who said It depends on what type, lol!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,951 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    I'd be highly confident that that 'incident' never happened, but wtf has being asked to house a migrant got to do with an anti-racism march? Nothing, that's what.

    It's like saying you can't say anything about homelessness unless you've already housed a few yourself. It's as thick as the wall.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,891 ✭✭✭El Gato De Negocios


    Citation needed.

    If its as unabated as you claim then you'll have no problem copying and pasting in here at least 5 or 6 recent posts from that thread that are racist.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,815 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    I don't see any racist posts, maybe the mods delete them.

    The thread is what is playing out in real life.

    Over 80% of people are fed up with how we are managing immigration.

    The thread is basically the same with a handful of posters who try to defend it.

    I don't see them offer anything besides throwing about Nazi, far right and racist and rarely put forward arguments.

    Then run here to throw the toys out of the pram.

    If they are correct then they are effectively accusing boards and the mods of being racist by allowing it to happen.

    If I was a mod of the forum I would certainly take offence.

    Goldengirl is going to throw up several examples now from yesterday to educate the mods on how to handle the thread.

    I look forward to seeing them myself, looking at the thread since yesterday, I need to be educated on what constitutes as racism.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,891 ✭✭✭El Gato De Negocios


    Its eerily similar to the trans athletes in womens sports thread.

    Poster a - i dont believe biological men should compete against biologicical females and heres reasons why

    Poster b - you are a transphobe and a terf, arrrrghghgghh.

    Immigration thread

    Poster a - i believe there is an issue with immigration and heres the reasons why

    Poster b - you are a right wing, tri-flag waving, nazi bigot, arrrrgghahh



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,858 ✭✭✭Gloomtastic!


    It’s insidious posts like this that make my blood boil.

    Racism is not acceptable in a civilised society. If Boards was functioning correctly then anyone who posts racist views would be banned indefinitely. But just like the world, Boards is going to ****.

    God help us all! 🙄



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,611 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    The problem is that there are a lot of poster Bs, they complain en masse, reporting posts, and eventually mods ban the poster As, being fed up with the constant reporting. Boards version of the cancel culture.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,127 ✭✭✭crusd


    Its great to be able to invent an alternative version of the opposing point of view isnt it.

    The reality is on both the issues you outline you and others deliberatly rmisrepresent what others say.

    Show any sort of understanding and sympathy for trans people you get "you want men to take over womens sport"

    Show any sort of understanding and sympathy for pepoe forced to leave thier country for whatever reason and you get "you want unvetted men to come here and rape our women"

    Meanwhile the same folks have xero interest in womens sport or womens rights



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 14,685 Mod ✭✭✭✭pc7


    On the playing out in real life, this is really starting to happen, people I work with, even my own folks (who where involved with the workers party in the 80's! they always voted well to the left) are getting vocal about what is going on in Ireland atm. They don't agree with unvetted open access for all, they are commenting on the amount of men coming in and the free for all in terms of support and aid been given. The government are so out of touch with what the ordinary person is now seeing and believing with their own eyes. The thread is the only place it can be openly discussed, the facts are speaking for themselves, the current policies are affecting housing, how could it not! Anyway, personally I hope it stays open, this is a discussion forum after all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,892 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    whats wrong with asking for examples of racist posts?, I haven't seen any on the thread unless your definition of racism is so loose that suggesting we can only accommodate so many refugees or economic migrants given the size of our coyntry.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,633 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    You may not want to give more 'airtime' to them, if you think they are offensive \ racist.

    I assume they have already been reported.

    If admins \ someone from moderation team wants more details, then they can either be dm'd or put onto the thread if they request it.

    But given that doesn't appear to have been any input on this thread from them, it seems like a moot point at present and a waste of people's time unless that changes.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,815 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    Of course racism is not acceptable, I am not sure where I said it was.

    To be clear you are accusing boards and the mods of being racists.

    Show us examples of the racist posts which I won't hold my breath for.

    I will condemn those posts if they are racist.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 158 ✭✭XopherIE


    But it's easier to scream racism without backup or evidence to try and win their argument…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,989 ✭✭✭✭EmmetSpiceland


    It’s always impressive how those with racist leanings can never seem to see racism when it’s right in front of them.

    Why can’t they just own it? They obviously don’t think racism is a bad thing but they’ll shriek and cry foul if they, themselves, get called racist.

    I should point out that it is not a good idea to call racists “racist” on this site as there is a strange quirk of the rules, whereby anyone who calls a racist “racist” will get sanctioned for it, even though the label, itself, is accurate, and correct.

    “It matters not what someone is born, but what they grow to be” - A. Dumbledore

    “It is not blood that makes you Irish but a willingness to be part of the Irish nation” - Thomas Davis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,611 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    I don't disagree with you that racists don't see racism. The problem here however, is that posters have asked for examples, and none have been presented. You can only prove somebody is blind by showing them something to see.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 158 ✭✭XopherIE


    Racism is wrong and all levels of racism is wrong, no one is denying that or saying otherwise?

    But if your debating or discussing something and it doesn't agree with your views it doesn't automatically mean its racism, it just means that they disagree you. If you turned around and said the Sky is blue, and I turned around and said no the sky is green. Does that make me racist or a different view? A bad comparison but in some cases which I've seen so far, it is this stupid or pathetic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,815 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    I suppose we can add you to the list of a posters who sees racism but won't provide examples?

    Should be the easiest thing in the world if it's so rampant.

    Why is nobody complaining, providing examples.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,037 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    The thread says disgusting racism. That to me implies hardcore racism. Now, in today’s world, like a lot of things, dilution is crazy.

    The incessant rush to throw around labels and cards like misogyny, racism, xenophobia etc has completely diluted their true meanings!!

    So, where exactly in the thread is their “disgusting” racism? I mean nasty racism, not someone thinking, for example like agreeing with Bertie Ahern’s doorstep comments..

    What on earth is the point of the thread if people cannot comment without being, in plenty of instances falsely accused of racism. The thread, the topic etc is naturally about people, ethnicities, cultures, assimilation etc.. of course you will have some less than diplomatic points and exchanges, but this rush to throw about the racism card at anything that even slightly is perceived to “target” is pathetic

    Post edited by walshb at


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,632 ✭✭✭Yeah Right


    Claims that allegations of racism are overblown…………..refers to black people as 'coloured'.

    You do realise 'coloured' is an offensive, racist slur these days, yes?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,037 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Where did the poster refer to "black" people as coloured?

    To describe a black person as coloured is seen as offensive. But I cannot see where this poster referred to black people as coloured. I think the poster was using coloured to maybe include non-white, or non-caucasions!…like asians or latinos etc…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 357 ✭✭Arseboxing


    Racists love political correctness and hate straight talking.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,662 ✭✭✭tabby aspreme


    Up until recently a lot of genuine discussion on immigration was stymied by the mere mention of the word racism, now that this is no longer the case the people who used this tactic are at a loss on how to promote unfettered immigration



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,611 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    I know a lot of people who would not know that "coloured" is an offensive racist slur these days, as they grew up in a time when it was considered the opposite.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,891 ✭✭✭El Gato De Negocios


    So nobody is able to provide any examples of racist posting, even though its apparently an epidemic in that particular thread.

    Colour me surprised.

    Stating that unchecked immigration is a problem is not racist.

    Providing evidence and statistics that illustrate highly progressive countries with a previously laissez faire attitude towards immigration have experienced huge social and economic issues that can be linked directly to it is not racist.

    Stating that the Irish government should prioritise its own citizens wellbeing ahead of the wellbeing of other nationalities is not racist.

    Ive no doubt that there has been some examples of actual racism in that thread but in the main, anyone that wants to see a proper examination of the issue is posting in a calm, respectful and well constructed manner.

    The other side of the discussion is posting in the same manner as others in this thread, nothing but name calling and trying to shame / silence anyone that has concerns.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,858 ✭✭✭Gloomtastic!


    You Call Me Coloured

    I BORN, I BLACK
    I GROW UP, I BLACK
    I SEE, I BLACK
    I GO IN THE SUN, I BLACK
    I SCARED, I BLACK
    I SICK, I BLACK
    EVEN IF I DIE I AM GOING TO BE BLACK
    AND YOU WHITE FELLOW
    YOU ARE BORN,YOU PINK
    YOU GROW UP,YOU WHITE
    YOU GO IN THE SUN ,YOU RED
    YOU COLD,YOU BLUE
    YOU SCARED,YOU YELLOW
    YOU SICK,YOU GREEN
    IF YOU DIE,YOU GRAY
    AND YOU CALL ME COLOURED



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