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Ireland vs Israel - To play or not to play, that is the question Read OP for Mod Warning

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,278 ✭✭✭TokTik


    I see Austrians have now started their own “Stop The Game” campaign. Hopefully this gathers a lot more momentum.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,278 ✭✭✭TokTik


    You’ve posted that all teams have to be insured. That’s a given. You haven’t shown anything that would insure them against moving the game off their own bat and getting compensated for that.

    You made it up didn’t you??



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,614 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    They are moving it on the advice of the Gardai that the safety of the Israeli team and Israeli supporters couldn't be guaranteed. This is the key part of their statement:

    "The Association thanks An Garda Síochana for their support and advice over recent months and states that the decision to relocate to a neutral venue is one that has been considered an appropriate course of action by the FAI Board with the support of UEFA. "

    That should be covered by insurance. Just look at the threats on this thread to the Israeli football team and supporters, hotels should reject them, chefs should refuse to serve them, taximen boycott them etc. The language here is bad enough, but mild compared to what is out there on other social media. There was no option but to move the game.

    Those most upset are those who wanted their performative day out with the possibility of having the game abandoned.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,525 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    Nowhere in that statement does it mention "on the advice of the Gardai that the safety of the Israeli team and Israeli supporters couldn't be guaranteed."

    Yet again more bad faith posting and misrepresentation/lies.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,614 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    So tell me what were the Gardai advising them on, how many chicken fillet rolls would be needed on the day?

    The Gardai advise sporting organisations on the safety issues of sporting fixtures. The key safety issue for this fixture is the lunatic nature of some of those opposed to it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,525 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    Neither you or I know what they advised them.

    It could have been that they felt that the threat would come from visiting fans, from home fans, it could be a mixture, the point of the matter is you or I do not know.

    Your statement is solely your opinion, your attempt to pass it off as a fact is misrepresentation, bad faith posting and just a bare faced lie.

    Post edited by Rocket_GD on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,750 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    So tell me what were the Gardai advising them on, how many chicken fillet rolls would be needed on the day?

    Absolutely safety was a factor for the Gardai.

    But all the likelihood is it was that the Israeli fans would be the ones bringing the danger, not the ones being at risk from it.

    That's an incredibly poor attempt to paint a narrative, the words you said their statement referred to, didn't even appear in the quote you supported as evidence.

    You and Paddy_Mag are two of a kind when it comes to using evidence on this thread.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,488 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    On the basis of recent matches involving Israel, Amsterdam and Birmingham, it is highly likely that there was no issue with Irish fans at all. The Gards would have been in contact with the Dutch and Villa who would have told them the away fans were the issue.

    The pro-Israelis are desperately clutching at straws and now using lies.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,401 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    It would be very naive to assume there would NOT be trouble from the pro Palestinians side if the game was played in the aviva.

    EDIT - NOT

    From UK over weekend.

    Earlier this year a group got inside croke park at the GAA assembly to protest the Allianz sponsorship so if that is the type oe behaviour that provokes a reaction then it isnt exactly peaceful. When people think they can act with impunity they eventually find out that they cannot.

    Look at the Palestine action scumbags in the UK who got jailed. Good enough for the fcukers. Its not exactly peaceful.

    You havent exactly been full of evidence your self. A lot of whataboutery about what potentially might happen If the FAI boycotted the game, not to mention the Celtic fixture nonsense. Potential this, maybe that.

    You also kept bringing up the FAI mismangement issues of the past while ignoring what the IDF were doing when Celtic were signing EX IDF soldiers which is rather convenient. Picking and choosing what suits your agenda.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,525 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    It would be very naive to assume there would be trouble from the pro Palestinians side if the game was played in the aviva.

    This is the most sensible thing you’ve said in this thread.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,401 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    Thanks for pointing out my error. Corrected now



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,614 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    The evidence is all over social media, even on this thread, people calling on shops, chefs, taxidrivers, etc. to make life impossible for the Israeli team. On other social media the threats were far worse. In those circumstances, the FAI had no option to move the game on advice of the Gardai as they couldn't guarantee the safety of the Israeli team.

    That means that they couldn't guarantee the Israeli team that they would safely arrive, safely get to their hotel, safely eat, safely train, safely play the game, all without interference or someone preventing that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,525 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    Ah now you’re back to the usual hyperbole and lies, what a shame.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,525 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    You’re continuing to lie.

    Nowhere has it ever been stated that the Gardai advised they couldn’t guarantee the safety of the Israeli team.

    What is your agenda repeating this lie?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,614 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    Fair enough, they were advising on the availability and price of chicken fillet rolls.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,525 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    Why do you keep peddling this nonsense?


    Could they have possibly advised that the threat was from the away support?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,750 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    So no evidence then, just anecdotal interpretations of non-disclosed social media posts.

    You boys go to some lengths to stand up for a group of people (Israeli football fans) who have a strong record of hateful behavior.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,488 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Hmm - looks to me that the Palestinian protester were, as you say, behind barriers flying their flags. Then a bloke with an Israeli flag goes over and starts boxing them.

    That's why the game is being played in a neutral venue behind closed doors - violence by Israelis.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,488 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    If you'd care to share your corroborated evidence that the Gards were concerned with Irish supporters attacking Israelis, you can clear up your assertion in an instant.

    If not, your post has zero credibility.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,488 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Of all the stupid posts I've seen, this definitely falls into semi-final territory.

    Will it go all the way? Depends on other posts I guess - good few contenders alright.

    Post your corroborated evidence (hint - you don't have any)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,488 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    You make excellent points.

    If shops/chefs refused to serve Israeli fans and footballers would be starving to death on the streets of Dublin. That certainly wouldn't be a good look for the country. By refusing to ferry them around, the taxi drivers, Luas and bus drivers would force them to walk. Ravaged by starvation, death would likely occur sooner. And if they got infections in their feet, etc. the trail of bodies toward the Aviva would be pretty big. The footballers would be crippled of course.

    As excellent as they are, all your points are simply a figment of an highly overactive imagination or out of some fairytale book.

    We've gone from fisticuffs in Israel's last game being "meh, handbags, happens every day of the week" to " think of the poor starving Israelis - ship in a container load of chicken rolls before they die".

    The material here would make a superb Father Ted episode.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,961 ✭✭✭csirl


    https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/7360929/2026/06/15/israel-palestine-fifa-soccer-festival/

    I got heavily lambasted on this thread a while back when I suggested an underage match between Israel and Palestine. (I suggested Ireland could host it).

    Looks like FIFA is now trying to arrange one!!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,750 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Infantino tried to get Palestinian delegates to embrace an Israeli one at some conference a couple weeks back.

    Rightly, the Palestinian refused to engage in his sportswashing. This will the same.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,401 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    Of course it does. But you were appalled at the Israeli celebrating a goal a few weeks ago so, labelling it incitement so i am sure you are equally appalled at people targetting Jewish people in their own community for no other reason then they are jewish?

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    then we have this so called journalist. . Making abusive and aggressive calls to a Deli in Rathmines. Now given the way you reacted to the Israeli FA tweet, warning the FAI (and the IFA bizarrely) that they were coming to win the game you are equally appallled at this behaviour?

    The Irish government should deport this clown back to the backwards little kip he comes from.

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    The irony is, this guy is probably using a smartphone with a microprocessor built by Intel in Israel.

    Anyway, I will be making a few purchases in Deli613 when any time i am over that way. They should give him a job as marketing manager.

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    Last week we had this sentencing, read the victim impact statement of the police sergeant. This isn't protest. Its violent thuggery. Again, after the Albania Israel game you were outraged at the pushing and shoving and the objects been thrown on the pitch. So i am sure you are equally appalled at this behaviour?

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ce950111xk7o

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    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c70dv0ln4g4o

    The FAI are moving the game and i suspect the Gardai informed them of the possibilities of the issues that would come up in and around the stadium by people who will try to hi-jack the game for their own means.

    The issue is not going to be Irish football fans, or Israeli fans (given the general idea was to have no away fans) but scum like this who think they can act with impunity and get away with it. Well those four didnt get long enough in jail if you ask me given what happened to the police officer. The one who hit the policie officer in particular should be spending a lot longer in Jail IMO.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,638 ✭✭✭Miniegg


    Someone should be deported for calling a deli and complaining that they use Israeli goods? Wtf are you on about. You are complaining about people using their goods the whole thread, will we book you a seat in the plane too?

    What backwards little kip does he come from?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,750 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Last week we had this sentencing, read the victim impact statement of the police sergeant. This isn't protest. Its violent thuggery. Again, after the Albania Israel game you were outraged at the pushing and shoving and the objects been thrown on the pitch. So i am sure you are equally appalled at this behaviour?

    I am appalled.

    I'm appalled that they were charged under criminal damage guidelines, but sentenced under terrorism ones.

    And I'm appalled that we see people who are trying to impact companies benefiting from supporting genocide referred to as scum frequently but we see people who burn migrants out of offices referred to as having legitimate concerns.

    And I'm appalled that we have frequently and repeatedly seen damage and disruption caused by football fans costing in the millions (for many individual instances) including injuries to police and yet the vast majority of people involved in those acts rarely receive any sanction.

    And I'm appalled that Irish people go to such efforts to insult their neighbours, work colleagues, family members, etc while shilling for the perpetrators of genocide.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,614 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    I didn't say attacking Israelis, safety is much wider than that. Safety means being able to guarantee that Israeli fans and players will be able to travel freely in Dublin, will have hotels to stay in, will be able to access the ground, and that the match will go ahead without impediment.

    Read the thread, and see all the threats to all of those, some of them encouraged by posters.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,750 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Can you post an example of one of these "threats" from this thread, particularly those encouraged by posters.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,614 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    I don't need corroborated evidence that the world is round.

    The evidence is clear on Irish social media, there are people in this country who would do anything they could to stop the game going ahead, the safety of the game, the safety of the Israeli team, the safety of the Israeli fans, cannot be guaranteed because of those Irish people who would stop at nothing.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,750 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    You have zero evidence. Social media posts is not evidence of intent, it is evidence of sentiment. At best.



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