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General Star Trek thread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 233 ✭✭Perfidious Cretin


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    My joint favourite Trek movie up next.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,799 ✭✭✭✭LambshankRedemption




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,033 ✭✭✭JayRoc


    The odds tell us it's either The Voyage Home or First Contact, maybe he'll throw us a curveball and say it's The Final Frontier!



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 5,596 Mod ✭✭✭✭Rawr


    When it comes to Trek movie myself, it think my "favourite" really depends on my mood. Sometimes it can be Wrath of Khan, sometimes First Contact. Sometimes it can even be Star Trek 5: The Final Frontier. (Yes…really….).

    I think the only movies that never really got into that slot in my mind are Insurrection, Nemesis, and the latter 2 JJ-verse movies…both of which I have only ever watched once.

    As for an overall favourite regardless of mood; it's a hard choice between Wrath of Khan and First Contact. Both work as excellent space adventure films that use Trek lore but are presented in a way so that non-Trek viewers can still understand the threats in play without watching hours TV Trek.

    When I first watch Wrath of Khan many many moons ago, I had not watched Space Seed, but the movie was so well presented that I understood that Khan was intelligent, dangerous and that he hated Kirk. It was clear to follow, and easy to enjoy.

    Although I was a well indoctrinated Trekkie by the time First Contact came out, I could see that they also took the time to present the horror of the Borg, so that by the time the drones were taking over the decks of the Enterprise, the viewer had enough knowledge to understand how terrifying that was.

    Both films had a fantastic music score, SFX and cast. They are both fantastic Sci-fi adventure movies…that also just happen to be Star Trek.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,854 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Good shout on the music. Those 2 films are the ones where Star Trek had a proper movie long Star Wars style soundtrack where you can practically visualise the whole movie when listening to the score.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 233 ✭✭Perfidious Cretin


    I love all the Trek movies but The Undiscovered Country is up there with TWOK for me.

    The Motion Picture has a special place for me since it's the first piece of Trek anything that I watched. Generations too as that was the first Trek movie I saw in the cinema..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,033 ✭✭✭JayRoc


    I love Insurrection. I'll honestly watch it it for fun!

    Nemesis, however, was an abomination.

    (The JJVerse flicks don't exist)

    As far as score goes; Undiscovered Country is tops for me.

    Having mulled it over I reckon IV The Voyage Home is still probably my favourite ST flick



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,636 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Both Undiscovered Country and TWOK were directed and part written by Nicholas Meyer, so they have a similar feel to them.

    He was also involved in The Voyage Home - he had directed and adapted time travel film Time After Time set in 1979 San Francisco and wrote the STIV sections set in contemporary San Francisco.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,854 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    I love TUC but it does that really annoying thing of shrinking Starfleet and the Klingons down to 1 planet each. The whole premise is Klingons becoming refugees on Earth. JJ later made the same mistake with Romulus.

    Other than that it's brilliant. Possibly the most thoughtful, well written and well acted Trek movie.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,979 ✭✭✭Evade


    Sci-fi writers almost always struggle with scale, see the death toll numbers give for the occupation of Bajor. The only series I can think of that gets its numbers kind of believable is Legend of the Galactic Heroes where for example fleets regularly about 7,000 ships



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,404 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    My two favourite Trek films are TUC and First Contact but I love all the TOS films and all the TNG ones too. I think TWOK is overrated in fact I prefer and put TSFS before it. I love The Motion Picture because its the Most Star Trek of all the films. Something I think TWOK lost it just became an all action film.

    I love TVH too.

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,799 ✭✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    I'm the same Undiscovered Country and WOK are my two favorites.



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 5,596 Mod ✭✭✭✭Rawr


    It's a good point. I sort of explain it away in my own head-canon by considering if the Klingon Empire and Romulan Star Empire were hopelessly centralised on their homeworlds, and that despite the size of their territories most of their Empires were sparsely populated out at the various colonies and outposts. Losing Q'onos or Romulus won't destory all of the Empire for sure, but in my mind I'm imagining a couple of states that suddenly cease to operate properly without everything that has been built around the homeworld.

    As a comparison, although Earth is very important to The Federation, the state would survive the loss of Earth. You'd still have Tellar, Andoria, Bolarus and Vulcan to name a few worlds. The Federation would be badly crippled by the loss of Earth, but it would continue. I guess it's a good analogy of a diverse union of equals, verses a mono-ethnic totalitarian state. One is far more adaptable than the other.

    I do kind of wonder what became of the Cardassian Union after Cardassia Prime got leveled. I'd imagine a similar situation to both the Klingons and Romulans. Lower Decks implys that Cardassia Prime is still a functioning world some time after DS9 finished, but it's unclear what condition the Cardassian State is in. In Picard Season 3, the Titan hides in the ship-remains from the Second Battle of Chintoka. Cardassians are not shown or refenced which was either an oversight by the writers, or an indication that Cardassia lost control of Chintoka after the Dominion War. It could be that post-war Cardassia is a much much smaller nation.

    I could go on, but sometimes my head-canon fills the gaps that the likes of Undiscovered Country might leave in the story.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,979 ✭✭✭Evade


    One of the key differences between the Federation and all the other states mentioned is the Federation is a multi species democratic endeavour and the others are empires with vassal states, at best. So if the central bureaucracy falls apart the Federation will proceed more or less the same after some turmoil, the rest will fall into full on civil wars.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,404 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    Ok I just saw this and have to share it lol,

    https://www.instagram.com/reel/DXDbbmmP8qo/?igsh=YjU5cTBrbmk5OXE5

    Opinons.

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,913 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,511 ✭✭✭TaurenDruid


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  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 5,596 Mod ✭✭✭✭Rawr


    As I've said before AMKC, if you care at all about the creativity that created Trek you wouldn't support or consume this kind of Gen-AI slop. Like before I know you mean well so don't take this as mean-spirited, but more of a cautionary tale that Trek fans should be well used to.

    Gen-AI doesn't just steal from the hard work of 100s of Thousands of people without paying them…but it also normalises the idea that you don't need to put any effort into your creative works so long as you can throw a few prompts into an engine. If we keep normalising this destructive trend we may end up with whole generations of kids who never once considered taking up a pen to write their own story, a pencil to make their own art, or even an instrument to create some music.

    Why bother when you can just get Gen-AI to do it for you? This is what myself and others are working hard to fight against, and I would hope that my fellow Trekkies would share some of those same values of preserving this part of our humanity in the face of a soulless digital replacment for it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,913 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    Some of it is good and funny, that one is the lowest effort type



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,799 ✭✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    After the attack on Mars, The federation banned Synths. Here in the 21st Century, I am genuinely waiting for some kind of accident or disaster caused by AI to make governments rethink the entire AI strategy.

    Amazon already had to rethink giving their AI full write access: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2026/feb/20/amazon-cloud-outages-ai-tools-amazon-web-services-aws



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,033 ✭✭✭JayRoc


    I was watching a video of Adlai Stevenson and the Soviet Ambassador having that famous exchange "Don't wait for the translation, answer me now!" on YouTube.

    Someone said they had heard the line in Star Trek VI which they had just discovered (pun intended) was "full of cold war references".

    Gee. You think?



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