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Dee Forbes banging the RTE TV licence drum again 60m uncollected fee *poll not working - pl ignore*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,251 ✭✭✭Peter Dragon


    Thsts the first time I’ve heard criticism of Mr. Kelly being equated to criticism of Unions. That’s quite the stretch.

    Yes, the salary is enormous, I understand that, but that doesn't affect my soul.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,251 ✭✭✭Peter Dragon


    I’m glad you agree at least that The Toyman is the face of the scandal.

    Yes, the salary is enormous, I understand that, but that doesn't affect my soul.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,114 ✭✭✭PeadarCo


    Noel Kelly does the same job as unions. He represents workers when dealing with management and helps negotiate the terms and conditions of contracts. He has the exact same job as any union rep.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,004 ✭✭✭csirl


    The Unions in RTE did a great job - everyone is over paid and under worked.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,247 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    ______

    In the end they were just greedy, they all knew one another and knew what to expect more money for no return, it was a secure cash flow, but in fairness they looked for what they wanted and fair dues to them for that, and wouldn't you be doing the same!

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,251 ✭✭✭Peter Dragon


    I don’t think the NKSFs will like him being compared to a Union Rep. That would be a frightfully “working class” descriptor to some of his fans on here.

    Ireland 2026, where talent agents have fans. Who’d have thought, eh? 🤷‍♂️

    Yes, the salary is enormous, I understand that, but that doesn't affect my soul.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,247 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    In fairness he was in Cadbury's in Coolock probably a union rep when he was there.

    ______

    In the end they were just greedy, they all knew one another and knew what to expect more money for no return, it was a secure cash flow, but in fairness they looked for what they wanted and fair dues to them for that, and wouldn't you be doing the same!

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,114 ✭✭✭PeadarCo


    Noel Kelly had no influence on RTE's accounting and ultimately how the invoices were recorded. Creating fictitious invoices and deceiving people into paying them is fraud and ultimately criminal. If it was criminal there would have been charges given how high profile the case has been. It's not Noel Kelly or any suppliers job to audit the accounting of their invoices send to RTE. It just another example of the culture in RTE.

    To be honest I don't we are to far off in opinions overall TBH.

    Tubs and Darcy are going to keep talking about it until people stop being interested about it and media companies stop paying them to talk about it. Which unfortunately is going to be a long time.

    The para social relationship they developed with parts of their audience over their decades in Irish media doesn't go away just because they've left RTE. Remember you don't need much charisma to create a para social relationship with an audience. Any look at social media will tell you that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,114 ✭✭✭PeadarCo


    Eh so literally describing Noel Kelly's job makes me a fan, that is weird. Union rep/employee representative/talent agent/agent/business manager etc etc they all do the same job but some people just prefer fancier job titles. God forbid worker representation is a bad idea and should apply to everyone.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,741 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Tubridy wasn't a 'worker'. He was being paid through his own company.

    Union reps works for an entire class of worker.
    Not a small bunch they try to promote in the media.

    Go to a local union meeting and try this on, you'll be laughed out of the door, or worse.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,251 ✭✭✭Peter Dragon


    Did I say you were a fan?

    I said NKSFs of which there are at least two on here. If you want to put yourself in that bracket, that’s on you. 👍

    Post edited by Peter Dragon on

    Yes, the salary is enormous, I understand that, but that doesn't affect my soul.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,251 ✭✭✭Peter Dragon


    it is a matter of record that he PROVIDED “dodgy” invoices to RTÉ, invoices that ultimately led to The Ryan Tubridy Pay Scandal being brought to public attention as well as other lapses of governance in RTÉ.

    But he had no part in it apparently 🤷‍♂️


    From rte.ie:

    “RTÉ Investigates has learned that when initially asked about invoices labelled as consultancy fees, the former RTÉ Director-General Dee Forbes said they related to work done for RTÉ by Noel Kelly at a cost of more than €1,200 per hour.”


    There’s lots more if you’d like to familiarise yourself a little more with the facts before wading it.

    Post edited by Peter Dragon on

    Yes, the salary is enormous, I understand that, but that doesn't affect my soul.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,247 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    He had influence on how much they paid his clients, I mean otherwise he wouldn't be much of a rep.

    I don't think we are, but you talk in circles and continually want to return it back to Tubs.

    This my view on Tubs and D'Arcy and most of the talent: -

    Tubs and D'Arcy when interviewed can simply say that "the interview is on the basis of what I am doing now, not what went on in RTÉ." If the media outlet refuses this then I would argue keep to your line on this and forget about the interview. (That interview in the Indo with D'Arcy was really not necessary from a promotional point of view IMO). Tubs seems to bring it up himself, he needs to say nothing and move on.

    I would disagree with you on the loyalty of fans. As I say if Tubs was able, he would have connected on 2FM, when he took over from G Ryan, while John Murray would have not had the same audience on Radio 1. D'Arcy should have brought something to Radio 1 and certainly his chat show should have been a ratings success on TV, after the first contract with Ray RTÉ should have realized their mistake, while Tubs should have been moved after a year on 2FM not 5, and after 3 years on the late late they should have being reconsidering what the show was doing.

    Anyway I think I have said enough on Tubs and D'Arcy.

    In the present I see no change in RTÉ, its been 3 years. Audiences feel let down. They see the lies in relation to content and the money that was swirling around the broadcaster, with no thought of the audience and what they expected from the national broadcaster. As I say the annual report for 2025 will be interesting to read.

    ______

    In the end they were just greedy, they all knew one another and knew what to expect more money for no return, it was a secure cash flow, but in fairness they looked for what they wanted and fair dues to them for that, and wouldn't you be doing the same!

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,753 ✭✭✭jippo nolan


    he must have bought that suit on one of Louis Copeland’s off days!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,454 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    Agree with you.

    People still spreading misinformation such as NK making deals to invoice barter accounts.

    There have been numerous reports on the RTE payments scandal none of which AFAIK have found NK to have done anything shady. In fact one specifically said neither RT or his agent bore any responsibility.

    The government seem to be putting their faith in reform of the TV licence which appears futile to me if it's to continue to be a licence to own a TV. Don't see them either making people like me have to pay or force those who use laptops or other devices to access content to pay up.

    Some form of ring fenced substitute from general revenue is the only sustainable answer IMO.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,251 ✭✭✭Peter Dragon


    Tubridy has been called many things (one poster hilariously described him as being “money savvy” on here just this past week, this despite The Toyman not realising his RTÉ earning were overstated by €345,000 over a multi-year period and confessing he was just a simple soul who didn’t understand complicated matters like numbers at an Oireachtas Committee Hearing), but I don’t think anyone has ever described him as a “worker” - at least in the traditional sense of the word so to speak.

    Post edited by Peter Dragon on

    Yes, the salary is enormous, I understand that, but that doesn't affect my soul.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,247 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    He didn't make deals to invoice the batter account? He just happened to invoice the barter company rather than RTÉ.

    The TV Licence Fee

    It is the law that you should pay this fee, people have in their droves decided to stop paying the licence fee because of all of the scandals with RTÉ (regardless of Tubs et al).

    There are very few people that are just using a laptop or other device for TV content, the rise of the smart TV in most homes as possibly seen that come down.

    So ring fenced like how TG4 get paid?

    ______

    In the end they were just greedy, they all knew one another and knew what to expect more money for no return, it was a secure cash flow, but in fairness they looked for what they wanted and fair dues to them for that, and wouldn't you be doing the same!

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,090 ✭✭✭Grab All Association


    I'm watching the world cup on BBC and ITV1. I've a Sky dish and an old Sky HD box with an English viewing card. I don't watch Rté, but I heard Rté are now showing adverts during the Hydration Breaks.

    What a bunch of brass neck b*****ds. Many of their viewers have paid their TV licence and shouldn't be subjected to this commercial money grab.

    Even ITV wouldn't steep that low. Their pundits calling out Fox in the USA for showing adverts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,247 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    You still have to pay your TV licence, and I have to recommend you too in case an inspector comes around !

    ______

    In the end they were just greedy, they all knew one another and knew what to expect more money for no return, it was a secure cash flow, but in fairness they looked for what they wanted and fair dues to them for that, and wouldn't you be doing the same!

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 117 ✭✭Famous Seamus


    I don't see the problem, who's interested in seeing a buch of overpaid pussies drinking water?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,454 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    I am giving this WC a pass but heard about the water breaks.

    They're not RTE water breaks so what's the problem with them showing ads?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,073 ✭✭✭Dublin Calling


    From what I hear RTE are not able to get the timings right, so part of matchs replaced by Head and Shoulders adverts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,247 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    ______

    In the end they were just greedy, they all knew one another and knew what to expect more money for no return, it was a secure cash flow, but in fairness they looked for what they wanted and fair dues to them for that, and wouldn't you be doing the same!

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,454 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    So what, better off fixing your dandruff problem than watching this rip off tournament.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,251 ✭✭✭Peter Dragon


    Agents with fans, it’s truly bizarre.

    Anyway…..

    Was he just “following orders” when he submitted invoices from CMS to RTÉ then? Invoices made out to Astus (UK), paid by RTÉ into an AIB bank account controlled by Mr Kelly’s company, CMS Marketing.

    The payments to CMS were ultimately underwritten and funded by RTÉ, effectively serving as a way to top up Tubridy's salary while hiding the true source of the funds.

    Even if he was just “following orders” you do know he could have objected to that and declined to partake in that arrangement, right?

    Nothing shady in that at all. 🙄

    Yes, the salary is enormous, I understand that, but that doesn't affect my soul.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,247 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    That's was the deal, the North American's made a deal and wouldn't you make the same deal.

    ______

    In the end they were just greedy, they all knew one another and knew what to expect more money for no return, it was a secure cash flow, but in fairness they looked for what they wanted and fair dues to them for that, and wouldn't you be doing the same!

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,247 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    And remember he was asked to do this by Geraldine O'Leary who was really badly mistreated in the Oireachtas according to KB4.

    Seems everyone wants to feel sorry for themselves

    ______

    In the end they were just greedy, they all knew one another and knew what to expect more money for no return, it was a secure cash flow, but in fairness they looked for what they wanted and fair dues to them for that, and wouldn't you be doing the same!

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,251 ✭✭✭Peter Dragon


    I was asked more than once to do things that I knew were dodgy. I declined. That option was also available to Mr. Kelly.


    I don’t think Ms. O’Leary held a gun to Mr. Kelly’s head so to speak.

    Was she treated really badly in front of the Oireachtas Committee? That’s a subjective viewpoint. What’s not subjective however is had she not been involved in a dodgy deal between Mr. Kelly and Dee Forbes then she wouldn’t have had the opportunity to be treated badly or other wet use because she wouldn’t have been there,

    What these people seem to forget is that along with the outrageous salary and benefits and +1 junkets there comes responsibilities.

    I’d also have to ask Mr. Bakhurst did he ever receive a bollicking of any sort in any role he was in? I doubt I’m alone in saying I have. Some deserved, some not; but it comes with the territory for anyone who’s been working for decades. Or is he now of the snowflake generation where he can’t be told he’s f-ed up because it might hurt his feelings? Give me a break.

    Yes, the salary is enormous, I understand that, but that doesn't affect my soul.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 167 ✭✭Migdal_Or


    For a woman with health issues, issues so serious that she has been unable to sit down and give us her version of events, Dee is remarkably active.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,741 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    That's a very cynical view. Her issues could be so severe that she has had to travel abroad to seek expensive expert treatments which are unavailable here. As a last resort like…

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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