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Dee Forbes banging the RTE TV licence drum again 60m uncollected fee *poll not working - pl ignore*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,247 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    The problem with that scandal is that it continues on. D4bres is still sick. It is a major scandal that hit the national public service broadcaster with little to no penalties handed to the broadcaster. Indeed from what I can see the government basically handed RTÉ everything that D4bes wanted via the bailout funds and the non-payment of license fees.

    RTÉ may have worked through all of its governance issues but that is only the top line of things. Some think that RTÉ was a perfectly acceptable service prior to the scandal, this is the view of KB4 who is continuing down the same tired road when it comes to content, in other words while his predecessor may have made mistakes by enlarge she and RTÉ did a good job during the last decade and long may it continue.

    ______

    In the end they were just greedy, they all knew one another and knew what to expect more money for no return, it was a secure cash flow, but in fairness they looked for what they wanted and fair dues to them for that, and wouldn't you be doing the same!

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,993 ✭✭✭✭EmmetSpiceland


    What is KB4, some sort of new directive or scheme?

    “It matters not what someone is born, but what they grow to be” - A. Dumbledore

    “It is not blood that makes you Irish but a willingness to be part of the Irish nation” - Thomas Davis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,251 ✭✭✭Peter Dragon


    Well look at this, The Toyman out talking about RTÉ and TLLS again and the TSFs and the NKSFs wonder why his name keeps popping up in commentary about the scandal. To paraphrase @cyclingtourist you’d think he’d stop talking about a place he hasn’t worked in for 3 years….

    IMG_6922.jpeg

    Here’s a link where you can read all about it:

    https://www.irishmirror.ie/showbiz/irish-showbiz/ryan-tubridy-says-todays-late-37276103.amp

    It makes for a delicious read.

    And now I’ll leave you with a little song from my good friends A-Trak and Armand Van Helden under their Duck Sauce moniker:

    Such a catchy little number.

    Yes, the salary is enormous, I understand that, but that doesn't affect my soul.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,247 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    He has a New Direction which is very similar to D4bes' Strategy 2024, so no most likely KB4 is not as such a new directive or scheme just the same as B4 :)

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    In the end they were just greedy, they all knew one another and knew what to expect more money for no return, it was a secure cash flow, but in fairness they looked for what they wanted and fair dues to them for that, and wouldn't you be doing the same!

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,072 ✭✭✭Dublin Calling


    God be with de days Uncle Gaybo not only presented, but also produced the LL show.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,251 ✭✭✭Peter Dragon


    It’s easy now. It was so much harder when The Toyman, Pat, and Gay hosted it. The Toyman was exhausted after it.

    37 x 2 hour shows a year….as a former FF politician famously said (ironically on TLLS) i wanna tell ya somethin’, try it sometime.

    Post edited by Peter Dragon on

    Yes, the salary is enormous, I understand that, but that doesn't affect my soul.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,112 ✭✭✭For Petes Sake


    It's a weird nickname that makes no sense to anyone but that poster, but he insists on using it over and over again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,454 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    There's a lot of weird things about this thread, false accusations, nicknames and RTOD.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,993 ✭✭✭✭EmmetSpiceland


    Thanks for that, was completely lost. Still not 100% on it, seems very niche.

    “It matters not what someone is born, but what they grow to be” - A. Dumbledore

    “It is not blood that makes you Irish but a willingness to be part of the Irish nation” - Thomas Davis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,454 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    It makes the users feel part of an exclusive 'elite'.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,247 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    Yeah I think you'd say that B4!

    Strategy 1: RTÉ should always make sure there is an 'elite'

    While employees must always make sure that they remember RTÉ's content is great regardless of the DG.

    ______

    In the end they were just greedy, they all knew one another and knew what to expect more money for no return, it was a secure cash flow, but in fairness they looked for what they wanted and fair dues to them for that, and wouldn't you be doing the same!

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,247 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    Yeah you said that B4. I though you were someone else.

    Imagine initialization is niche!

    ______

    In the end they were just greedy, they all knew one another and knew what to expect more money for no return, it was a secure cash flow, but in fairness they looked for what they wanted and fair dues to them for that, and wouldn't you be doing the same!

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,251 ✭✭✭Peter Dragon


    Poster who created acronym to describe posters decries the thread as being “weird” without a hint of irony or self-awareness.

    Yes, the salary is enormous, I understand that, but that doesn't affect my soul.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,251 ✭✭✭Peter Dragon


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    Aw poor multi-millionaire Ray who opted for all the advantages contracted work gave him for decades on an outrageous fee structure now complains when his contract is terminated - despite getting an (as we now know) unnecessary termination payment.

    Another multi-millionaire victim 🙄 of RTÉ’s “mismanagement” who fails to read the room. The parallels with The Toyman’s demise are obvious. Ray is now having to do podcasts and ads (things previously beneath him) and regular interviews that tell us how amazing things are since he left RTÉ in a desperate attempt to stay relevant.

    I’ll give him this much though - at least he can see there’s no return to RTÉ for him (even if he positions that as entirely his decision). It’s something someone else could really do with accepting.

    Both should learn that the “woe is me” stuff from their extremely privileged positions compared to the struggles of many really wears thin.

    I don’t know how I’ll get through today with the worry…

    Post edited by Peter Dragon on

    Yes, the salary is enormous, I understand that, but that doesn't affect my soul.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,247 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    Ah poor aul Ray, one of the best broadcaster we've every produced, I could see him as the next Late Late Show host. He's a great fan base all the same. Missed by RTÉ, very sad, ah sure!

    ______

    In the end they were just greedy, they all knew one another and knew what to expect more money for no return, it was a secure cash flow, but in fairness they looked for what they wanted and fair dues to them for that, and wouldn't you be doing the same!

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,251 ✭✭✭Peter Dragon


    isn’t it very intriguing all the same how the posters who defend The Toyman and the other NKM stars to the hilt no matter what they do never seem to defend poor Raymond…..it’s bonkers really. If only he had a different agent. 🤷‍♂️

    Post edited by Peter Dragon on

    Yes, the salary is enormous, I understand that, but that doesn't affect my soul.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,486 ✭✭✭Expunge


    Both D'Arcy and Tubridy.…Jesus Wept.

    They both became rich men on a series of those RTE talent contracts.

    Can't they just fcuking leave it.

    I get it that they are asked questions by journalists they have agreed to talk to to promote their God awful podcasts but could they refrain from offering these types of opinions, in the interest of moving on???

    Just. Don't. Talk. About. RTE.

    That's all, it could be truly healing for them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,454 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    The obsession with past presenters continues. No one, I repeat no one, would have turned down their salaries if offered.

    Anyone would think they had held a gun to or black mailed RTE executives.

    Time to get over it and move on folks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,247 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    Yeah, you repeat this a lot. Again no one ever said they would refuse, we've continued to point out that they've all been overvalued by both themselves and RTÉ, in an era when RTÉ supposedly had so little money they couldn't maintain some public services and complained they couldn't enter into multi year contracts with independent producers, both of these would suggest that RTÉ valued their talent over and beyond what they were worth.

    If any of the presenters felt that they were unhappy with RTÉ, they always had the choice of leaving, I wonder what was stopping them?

    ______

    In the end they were just greedy, they all knew one another and knew what to expect more money for no return, it was a secure cash flow, but in fairness they looked for what they wanted and fair dues to them for that, and wouldn't you be doing the same!

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,486 ✭✭✭Expunge


    And past presenters obsession with RTE also continues.

    Time to get over it, acknowledge they were paid a good deal more than their talent, ability and real market value and move on.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,741 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Anyone with a bit of sense or properly advised would have refused where it involved the kind of dodgy deals that if they came to light had the potential to damage their long term earnings.

    Overplaying their hands versus RTE (which also should have been more prudent) has back fired badly for Tubridy, D'Arcy.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,251 ✭✭✭Peter Dragon


    It would be hard to advise your client to refuse to be involved when you’re the one supplying the invoices.

    Yes, the salary is enormous, I understand that, but that doesn't affect my soul.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,251 ✭✭✭Peter Dragon


    if only The Toyman would stop talking about RTÉ then maybe after a prolonged period of time people would stop talking about The Ryan Tubridy Pay Scandal and how it’s central to the mis-governance of and the dodgy financial dealings of RTÉ.

    Again The Toyman and Mr. Kelly fail to see that doing it is amplifying it.

    Yes, the salary is enormous, I understand that, but that doesn't affect my soul.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,454 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    They should all refuse to be paid anything over the average industrial wage, you reckon?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,251 ✭✭✭Peter Dragon


    It’s funny you mention the average industrial wage as Joe Duffy (from your favourite agent’s stable) used to be paid over twice the average industrial weekly wage PER HOUR when hosting Liveline. A true man of the people.

    #NKSF

    Yes, the salary is enormous, I understand that, but that doesn't affect my soul.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,247 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    Again no one has ever said that they should refuse this or good wages. However the overvaluation of them by RTÉ is core to RTÉ governance issues.

    AFAIK RTÉ have had a pay freeze for almost a decade or more, the average wage in RTÉ was 61K, I worked it back and found that RTÉ to be back at the wages they once got they'd need to be on 75K on average today.

    RTÉ inflated their wages and then inflated the top wages. In many ways most in industry are only just catching up to RTÉ.

    Here you have a company that values a Daytime TV presenter on RTÉ to the same value as Breakfast time TV presenters on the BBC. Where when a employed steps back and basically takes a demotion they think he should remain on the same high wages. Where news anchors and news correspondents can get double what their own colleagues are getting.

    All the while cutting in areas of public service.

    ______

    In the end they were just greedy, they all knew one another and knew what to expect more money for no return, it was a secure cash flow, but in fairness they looked for what they wanted and fair dues to them for that, and wouldn't you be doing the same!

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,251 ✭✭✭Peter Dragon


    More delicious tales of a very special Macca-centred FREEBIE from The Toyman this week. One can only hope he behaved more professionally this time than a previous encounter from his time at RTÉ where despite being requested (told) not to ask for a selfie The Toyman did so anyway. It’s a tale The Toyman had told repeatedly on air on his former 2fm, Radio 1, and Q102 shows and multiple times in print (handy to be able to recycle the same stories over and over again to fill those column inches - much like his RTÉ repeat so many shows) the story is a remarkable portrait of a man with zero self awareness describing that out loud. You can read just one of those below, but there are many.

    https://www.thesun.ie/tvandshowbiz/8964453/ryan-tubridy-recalls-mortifying-encounter-beatles-paul-mccartney/


    In other news, a Corkonian living in Cork (a different Corkonian to my media friend who lives in Dublin) told me he saw Dee Forbes in Cork airport yesterday. Hopefully Ms. Forbes is going somewhere nice, quiet and relaxing to aid in her ongoing recovery. As always, I wish her well in this ongoing cause and hope one day she will be fit enough to give her version of events.

    Yes, the salary is enormous, I understand that, but that doesn't affect my soul.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,247 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/scandal-after-scandal-at-rte-responsible-for-low-tv-licence-figures-td-says-1913423.html

    First, an ageing population means that the number of households qualifying for a free TV licence increases every year by between 13,000 and 20,000.

    “Second, the number of households without a liable television set has increased, driven by changes in the way that people access audiovisual services.

    "Third, there has been a marked increase in evasion since the revelations regarding presenter payments and governance failings in RTÉ in July 2023.”

    First, that doesn't make up for the fall in numbers, espeically when you consider the new number of household in the country.

    Second, you have no data to back this up, how many Smart TV on the market do not come with either a Terrestrial Tuner or a Satellite tuner, not even Sky Glass comes without a tuner built in (terrestial only).

    Third, yes you have hit the nail on the head.

    ______

    In the end they were just greedy, they all knew one another and knew what to expect more money for no return, it was a secure cash flow, but in fairness they looked for what they wanted and fair dues to them for that, and wouldn't you be doing the same!

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,114 ✭✭✭PeadarCo


    But I don't think anyone disagrees with any of the above. It was a scandal. But you can't blame the presenter's for getting the best deal they could at the time.

    The deals done were a joke but that's the responsibility of RTE management. People join unions for this exact reason. Instead of SIPTU or Unite, high profile presenters had Noel Kelly. He was the union rep for presenters. No real difference except that like every corporate organization trade unions have the normal corporate bullshit to cover the fact that they are only interested in getting the best deal/most profit for their shareholders/members.

    Targeting Noel Kelly and the people he represented is just an argument to remove employee representation for people over X salary. Which is a very slippery slope.

    The only problem with blaming RTE management is that most people don't have a clue to most of the people were. A lot of people developed para social relationships with the presenter's. Assuming if the presenter's were any way half decent. Anyone mentioned on his thread obviously had/has the ability to develop a para social relationship with their audience otherwise people wouldn't care that they were paid.

    To repeat Ryan Tubridy, Ray Darcy etc did not run RTE, they may have been the face and the people developed para social relationships with they didn't run the organization. Running RTE was never their job. The weird obsession with the fact that Tubridy has a life outside RTE ignore why the mess happened.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,247 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    @PeadarCo

    But I don't think anyone disagrees with any of the above. It was a scandal. But you can't blame the presenter's for getting the best deal they could at the time.

    Where in that did I blame any of the presenters.

    The deals done were a joke but that's the responsibility of RTE management. People join unions for this exact reason. Instead of SIPTU or Unite, high profile presenters had Noel Kelly. He was the union rep for presenters. No real difference except that like every corporate organization trade unions have the normal corporate bullshit to cover the fact that they are only interested in getting the best deal/most profit for their shareholders/members.

    I have said that, RTÉ management and the talent's agents all over valued the talent at RTÉ, and still do. I'd argue that staff at RTÉ and their unions did not do a good job of point this out, instead they largely went along with it.

    Targeting Noel Kelly and the people he represented is just an argument to remove employee representation for people over X salary. Which is a very slippery slope.

    NK made a deal where by he invoiced a barter account via a different company name. He well aware of the deal that he had made. D4bes should have never made that deal, and Geraldine O'Leary shouldn't have suggested, and I could go further to say that Eimear Cuskask should not have signed off on the CFO's exit package.

    The only problem with blaming RTE management is that most people don't have a clue to most of the people were. A lot of people developed para social relationships with the presenter's. Assuming if the presenter's were any way half decent. Anyone mentioned on his thread obviously had/has the ability to develop a para social relationship with their audience otherwise people wouldn't care that they were paid.

    And yet Tubs was unable to bring his paranormal charm over to 2FM, where he languished for 5 years in a mid-morning peak time slot.

    To repeat Ryan Tubridy, Ray Darcy etc did not run RTE, they may have been the face and the people developed para social relationships with they didn't run the organization. Running RTE was never their job. The weird obsession with the fact that Tubridy has a life outside RTE ignore why the mess happened.

    Again that last post that you quote I said nothing about any of the talent. The minister spoke about the presenter payment and governance scandal and the other scandals the continue from there.

    It's time that Tubs and D'Arcy both stop talking about how badly everything turn out for them, and as you say move on from this.

    ______

    In the end they were just greedy, they all knew one another and knew what to expect more money for no return, it was a secure cash flow, but in fairness they looked for what they wanted and fair dues to them for that, and wouldn't you be doing the same!

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



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