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Waterford GAA Thread - Mod note post #1

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56 ✭✭The Bernablaa


    Jason Ryan surely the stand out internal candidate, I'd be sounding him out.

    Externally Pat Ryan, he's already the finished article, he wouldn't be using us as the next step.

    But it's the Waterford county board in the last 10 years alone they put in Fanning, which resulted in the worst year of hurling I ever saw in my life. Then a couple of years later brought back Davy, who's first year back surpassed that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,090 ✭✭✭Asdfgh2020


    yeah daveys first year of his second coming was atrocious. He should have been sacked after it. A meaningless win v Tipperary where he played billy nolan at no. 6 from memory. Had an abysmal league also and were nicely relegated.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 979 ✭✭✭Deskjockey


    Derek McGrath had a good run, but it would feel like a backwards step going back to him..and yes it was very negative stuff. So it's a hard no to Derek.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,402 ✭✭✭914


    Not forgetting they overlooked Sean Power for fanning that time after he won minor and u21 All Irelands.

    Thankfully the board themselves seem better structured these days and seems to have a plan in placed based on recent appointments



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,860 ✭✭✭Mastermcgrath


    I think the first question to ask before throwing names into a hat is what type of manager do you want and what is the philosophy in terms of style of play, systems etc and where do you see Waterford hurling going. For me, Derek, McGrath does not fit the bill at all any more and to bring him back in from the cold now to try and instill his way of playing into this group of players simply would not work. During his term as manager, he had a group of players, many of which he had success with at schools, colleges, club etc , and for that reason he has absolute buy in from everyone. We are now 8 years down the line he has been away from the Waterford scene for a while. He does not have the connection with the current group of players that he had previous and would be very difficult to command his philosophy given how the game has moved on. Derek is a wicked sound fella and deserves a lot more credit than he gets for what achieved in his previous term as manager. Unfortunately he is Yesterdays man as far as this job is concerned and it would be a firm no for me



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,112 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    A lot of IFS

    But the current Dublin manager took the job while managing Na Fianna in the All Ireland Club series a few years ago. So It can be done 'IF' Jason Ryan's takes the Waterford job while possibly still managing Ballygunner



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56 ✭✭The Bernablaa


    That was criminal. The backroom would probably have been Joxer and Paul Flynn, what might have been.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,220 ✭✭✭Bahanaman


    Tom Mullally would be a very interesting option for ye. He's done a great job anywhere he's been. A very shrewd operator who's always maximised the resources available to him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,112 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    Will there be a committee setup



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 600 ✭✭✭IanVW


    🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,090 ✭✭✭Asdfgh2020


    Not a name that many would be familiar with….could ya outline his ‘hurling CV’ a bit…???.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,090 ✭✭✭Asdfgh2020




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,402 ✭✭✭914


    Current Carlow manager (I think), he also got mount Leinster to an AI club final which they were defeated in, I think he had a stint with Wexford u20s as well.

    In my eyes if you are looking at that you might as well try and get Jason Ryan into the role.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,090 ✭✭✭Asdfgh2020


    Pat bennet is Carlow manager…..🤷 agree re Jason Ryan



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,860 ✭✭✭Mastermcgrath


    Pat Bennett is the current Carlow manager. He has every bit as much experience as Mullally if not more and happens to have 3 sons on the panel. But I agree we should only be going outside the county if it’s a real top notch appointment ala Pat Ryan. There are are plenty internal candidates no less an option to the likes of Mullally, I’d be going for Joxer O Connor before him. Are we so sure that Joxer himself dosent want to go for it now? If the co. board handle this badly and tell him you need to wait 2 years then appoint some obscure dud instead you’d risk losing joxer from the system altogether

    For me, if it’s not Pat Ryan it’s a toss up between Duck O’Rourke and Joxer. That’s how I see it playing out



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,638 ✭✭✭Billy Ocean


    Managed Mount Leinster Rangers to the All Ireland Final, Clara to the Kilkenny title straight up from Intermediate, Wexford u20s 2017& 18, recently over Carlow & Naas, over St Anne's Rathangan in Wexford this year, geographically close as he's from Glenmore.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56 ✭✭The Bernablaa


    Not giving Sean power the job back in the day. Especially as his backroom would probably have been Flynner and Joxer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,111 ✭✭✭DiscoStew


    What makes you think Joxer would have been part of that ticket? He wasn’t with Seán for minor or U21.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,111 ✭✭✭DiscoStew


    I think the board have been pretty clear that Joxer is being readied for the role but they want him to do one or two more years with his management team at U20. Darragh to follow the same path, although there could be a one year overlap if Darragh only does 2 years at minor and Joxer does the 3 at U20.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56 ✭✭The Bernablaa


    My bad he's even less successful than I thought then!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,860 ✭✭✭Mastermcgrath


    Wexford Kilkenny and Waterford managerial jobs all vacant now

    be In a interesting few weeks on the merry-go-round


    Queally for Wexford perhaps?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,112 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    Davy loves his Round 2s

    Yeah lot of vacancies in the South East

    Kilkenny possibly the most straightforward appointment with the door more than likely open for Henry but like us he might want another year or 2 with the under 20s



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 107 ✭✭Marsher555


    I’m not sure why we are so keen to hire a man who failed to win an All Ireland with Cork. We are more than capable of doing that from within our own county.
    Within our own ranks, we can consider Duck, Jockser, Daragh and Jason. No one would be surprised if another county hired any of them.
    you could also add Derek and Tony Brown to that list.
    I don’t know how all these talents get along with each other, but I would be looking beyond one person, and hoping that any combination of two, three or even four of them could form a formidable management team.
    Much as I’d like to see Daragh and Jockser see out the underage plan, when needs must they should step up if required.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 804 ✭✭✭supernova5


    county managers quitting contagion is on, Cahill next?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,402 ✭✭✭914


    It makes far more sense to Darragh and Joxer to remain with minor and u20s, and move up to senior as those players do.

    I genuinely feel it would make no sense in giving them the senior position now based on the current senior panel and player ages.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,475 ✭✭✭seananigans


    i would rather suffer in the short term and worry about the long term, short term thinking is how davy got appointed



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 107 ✭✭Marsher555


    That begs the question then….why did we get rid of Peter??



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 107 ✭✭Marsher555


    So the alternative is to bring in a guy (albeit a nice guy) who failed to win an All-Ireland to manage a group who are past winning an All Ireland, while we wait until our 'dream team' with a string of underage success come of age….and we wonder why other counties take the piss out of us.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 53 ✭✭rockable_audio


    Why are people so obsessed with bringing Derek McGrath back? We had an ok year in 2017. We left a Munster title on the table that year. Had we faced Tipp in that All Ireland final instead of Galway we would have been slaughtered. I will never forgive him for how we set up in the 2016 Munster final. A 21 point hammering! Playing with the wind in the first half and a young promising forward Patrick Curran on his own inside the Tipp half chasing shadows. He bet the hurling out of the forwards from that great u21 team. Not to mention the shite he said on that RTE GAA podcast after the league final in 2022 when he said whoever beats this Waterford team will climb the steps of the Hogan Stand to lift the All Ireland. He should never be giving another chance. Leave Joxer and Darragh where they are. According to WLR FM Pat Ryan has already turned down an approach



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,475 ✭✭✭seananigans


    fact is, we need to hold the ground , a jim McGuinness type will never suit waterford , we need a conveyor belt of hurlers who grew up all the way along knowing how to express and back themselves .

    the best coach i ever had ( admittedly, in rugby) would always drill into you in training, back yourself he never ever wanted you to doubt yourself or worry about consequences, and if you took a chance and it didn't work he would never blow up on you if he felt you were trying to do the right thing.

    i understand the logic, but nowadays players are given personal reels of a tuesday of a match the sunday prior with all the things the coach felt you did or didnt do rightly . the absolute constipation of worrying about how it looks on camera after the fact helps as much as it hurts .

    and i cannot comment inside the camp ,but from the corporate world, if you take a 50/50 chance ,they blame you for picking the wrong one, rather than accept you made a decision in a quarter second



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