Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Mod Note Added 02/09/25*

Mate it reads as though you are picking a fight with yourself here and / or over things that nobody has claimed?

We shouldn't be assisting in wars being proliferated in the middle east or north Africa.

We shouldn't be incentivising wealth funds or wealthy individuals in accommodation schemes through tax breaks.

We shouldn't be underfunding our civil sector in processing immigration applications.

We shouldn't be underfunding border controls and enforcement.

I dont think anyone in this thread would disagree with any of the above statements, i certainly wouldnt.

There is huge profiteering from the refugee / AS industry, the McEnaney family have made generational wealth from it over the last few years, politicians like the Healy Reas have their finger in the pie as Im sure many more do.

I dont believe anyone is so naive to think that the issues are down to immigration and immigration only but peoples, my own included, are with the type of immigrants we are seeing flood Europe. When there was a huge influx of Polish, Latvian and Lithuanian nationals into the country there was little to no discourse about it be because in the main, they were not coming from third world shitholes where women are treated worse than animals, where sexual violence is massively prevalent, where backwards attitudes to homosexuality exist, where sharia law is king and where western, societal norms are non-existent.

A mature conversation is badly needed but unfortunately, many people are unwilling to accept this and flatly think that all and sundry should be welcomed with open arms. Im sorry but fcuk that, fcuk that. So in the short term, until proper vetting and immigration processing is in place, until proper border controls and enforcement are in place, until the AS accommodation money printer is turned off, the only real option is to stop, where ever possible, accepting anyone presenting for asylum unless they can present demonstrable evidence that they are fleeing war.

We have reached tipping point.

You'd be entirely wrong. I responded to Kaiser whom refused to engage with any of those points at all. In fact my post was a reply to him. (Not you and no offence) So the notion I'm picking a fight with myself is false. Also the notion that everyone agrees is also false.

Im not convinced you read my post in full or who I was responding to.

And yes there are many in here who refuse to acknowledge any of it and just prefer to shout loudly .

(That was the entire premise of my argument in full)

What's problematic?

Solutions?

Do you have some ?

Imagine there was people who just say around throwing thumbs up thanks to random posts that don't and haven't given any solutions. In fact you'll notice, I have the posters who are annoyed about immigration and offer valid fairly middle of the road detailed solutions don't get the likes at all maybe one or two likes.

But the sideline hurlers well into double digits. That's odd isn't it ? Look at the last few pages where people who wanted to see real action and detailed what and how. No traction.

It's hardly that outrage is the reason for the thread is it ? Nooo say it ain't so.

As they said in the Simpsons, don't make me tap the sign!

Also as I said to you earlier, feel free to take your protest against the foreign policies of countries that are not Ireland, or wars/conflicts that Ireland has no responsibility for or say in, to their respective embassies and report back on how you got on.

You seem to be labouring under the mistaken impression that Ireland can stop or even meaningfully influence these things - we can't! We're a small island on the edge of Europe that is being used as a dumping ground for the problems of the wider EU (just as we bore the brunt of the fallout in the aftermath of the financial crash), and we are completely beholden to the US for FDI, jobs, and a significant amount of our annual tax take. If you really think that Ireland is going to start a diplomatic row because you want to grandstand on Iran, Palastine or whatever other place then you're really in for an unpleasant surprise I'm afraid.

Meanwhile, I'll continue to be more concerned about things that we actually CAN (and should!) be tackling - stricter entry criteria and controls, enforced deportatation where someone has no legitimate right to be here or has violated our hospitality and laws, and a review of the rights and entitlements of non-nationals to the services and housing available - because those ARE things we can influence and control, and absolutely need to.

You are right about one thing - I do discourage responding to posts that do nothing but attempt to derail the otherwise useful conversation and updates happening in the thread (this latest sidebar about the term "animal" is ridiculous but absolutely intended to provoke others and prompt pages of basically irrelevant nonsense).

I can't force anyone to do this however, nor is it my place to try - I can only suggest there's more important things to talk about on this topic than going down pointless but deliberate rabbitholes.

Yup that is absolutely intended to hide the problem from the visiting politicians and others who will be in and around the city centre during Ireland's presidency.

Expect a lot of visible Garda presence as well around O'Connell Street, the Quays, Parnell Square and places in between.

Optics!!!

Ya? To assign blame most likely rather than look at their own system which they happily lived under for years.

Will he ask questions about that ?