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RTÉ ONE, 2, Junior, and Player

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,145 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    What changes did they make? Seems like RTÉ NEWS NOW as it was before.

    (I could complain when you say RTÉ only in caps but N is also capitalized, but I really hate RTÉ News and RTÉ Sport are not fully capitalized and RTÉ ONE is).

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    In the end they were just greedy, they all knew one another and knew what to expect more money for no return, it was a secure cash flow, but in fairness they looked for what they wanted and fair dues to them for that, and wouldn't you be doing the same!

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,650 ✭✭✭galtee boy


    The Indo seems to have an agenda about dodgy boxes, they are always harping on about them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,632 ✭✭✭deezell


    Mediahaus own a whack of the GAA streaming service Clubber, so may not be impressed to see their games appearing on free or sub iptv services. The indo itself has taken extreme measures to prevent its stories being cut or pasted to other sources or archives, they've implemented anti scraping technology and services. They assume people will pay annual subscriptions, but there they are wrong. People are curious about the details of pay walled stories, but not curious enough to commit to an annual sub, like motor tax. Perhaps a simple model with a pay per story, say 10 cent for revealing the rest of the usually facile and trivial article, that might just tempt someone to read a euro or twos worth in a day. News of real worth tends to be available free anyway on various other platforms.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 287 ✭✭brick man


    If your referring to Tracy Clifford show or Cormac Battle on RTE Gold, both shows are live every day



  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 12,954 Mod ✭✭✭✭icdg


    He knows well. He won’t change. Leave it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,145 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    At some point we must all agree that RTÉ's branding is all over the place.

    RTÉ ONE, RTÉ2, RTÉKIDSjr, RTÉ News, RTÉ News and Current Affairs, RTÉ Sports. The daftness of bring RTÉ in all of the Radio stations who ever calls it RTÉ 2FM, RTÉ lyricfm or RTÉ RnaG? Or writes it that way. I doubt many even call it RTÉKIDSjr or even noticed the change.

    NEWS NOW is just part an parcel of this, they basically "rebranded" the news channel and didn't bother to change the area where the logo sits, so now it sits in the middle of the large column that it in habits. This along with the fact that the News channel since 2011 hasn't changed, the only major change is now instead of showing your news RTÉ shows France 24 over night.

    I hope you see my point. But sure best not say anything negative about RTÉ here in this area of boards.

    edit: along with the fact that on the player they still list Euronews as the simucast rather than France 24.

    Post edited by RoTelly on

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    In the end they were just greedy, they all knew one another and knew what to expect more money for no return, it was a secure cash flow, but in fairness they looked for what they wanted and fair dues to them for that, and wouldn't you be doing the same!

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,049 ✭✭✭decor58


    Its

    Its not unusual for a parent company to use its name or branding on an associate channel BBC, ITV, sport, ITVBe, Sky News, Movies, History, Documentary.



  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 12,954 Mod ✭✭✭✭icdg


    I don’t think we should ever have to go back to the 1990s days of RTE pretending Network 2 and 2FM had nothing to do with it. (Remember News 2, “An N2 Production” and a total lack of any RTE branding?). The environment’s changed. With the Player (with all its faults, and there are still many) being pushed as the main way of consuming RTE programming, it’s more important than ever for all of RTE’s services to be associated with the masterbrand.

    I should add, none of that is meant to take away from the tiredness of RTE2’s twelve year old branding, or worse, the fact it doesn’t seem to really know what it’s for apart from being a place where sports programmes can live without interrupting Six One or the Nine. But those are separate questions than whether it needs to be associated with the RTE brand at all - it absolutely does.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,651 ✭✭✭Rick_


    Trailers for a show on RTÉ Player end with the words "DIVE IN" on the screen, bigger than the name of the show or the RTÉ Player logo. It would make you think the programme being advertised is called Dive In. Little things like that make the difference.

    Do RTÉ even have a branding guideline for their staff and independent programme makers to follow? I'd love to see it if they do!

    RTÉ 2 having such an awful on screen identity is another bugbear. When it comes to branding and graphics on RTÉ, there seems to be a general attitude of "aye, that'll do" rather than providing something that really stands out and has an impact.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,145 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    BBC have updated them, in more recent years. ITVbe is now ITVQuiz. Sky should change "The History Channel" logo but it is still part owned by the History channel.

    I think both Network 2 and 2fm were better for it. At least there was a News 2, no news or current affairs on RTÉ2.

    Even if the player is important none of the "n2" like productions have move over rather they've been cancelled.

    But then you have a "news channel" associated with the RTÉ brand, that is clearly bad for the brand.

    ______

    In the end they were just greedy, they all knew one another and knew what to expect more money for no return, it was a secure cash flow, but in fairness they looked for what they wanted and fair dues to them for that, and wouldn't you be doing the same!

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39 bpotogo


    I was surprised to see recently that Diagnosis Murder has made a return to the RTE ONE daytime schedule after an absence of a quarter of a century, not that I think it's a bad thing, just surprising because showing such American reruns has been very much a TG4 thing the past 15+ years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,145 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    Anything is better than Drew Barrymore and the other Drew Barrymore chat show.

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    In the end they were just greedy, they all knew one another and knew what to expect more money for no return, it was a secure cash flow, but in fairness they looked for what they wanted and fair dues to them for that, and wouldn't you be doing the same!

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39 bpotogo


    It's crazy that the "Director of video" hasn't done a thing to update the television stations.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,145 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    Not really…. in Montrosia at least ….

    You have to remember that RTÉ is a "complex" organisation!

    Adrian Lynch* is the Deputy DG and Director of …. Audiences, Channels and Marketing. So he is in charge of "channels", again in a complex world of RTÉ I doubt he is over Radio in anyway and his role is largely with TV.

    Meanwhile, neither Lynch nor Steven Carson (Director of Video) is over the News channel, no the man who rebranded RTÉ News Now to "the RTÉ News channel" was Jon Williams (the former MD for News and CA), so that channel and schedule is with the News Department (Deirdre McCarthy) not with the Deputy DG.

    As I say RTÉ is a "complex" organization.

    *His department name changes a huge amount, according to RTÉ's website that's his current title, however it looks like he may now be Director of Strategy and Audiences Deputy DG.

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    In the end they were just greedy, they all knew one another and knew what to expect more money for no return, it was a secure cash flow, but in fairness they looked for what they wanted and fair dues to them for that, and wouldn't you be doing the same!

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,145 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    Just on News 2, here is a news and weather buliten on N2 as it was then. It shows the separate news graphics, a N2 production end caption, a N2 weather ident (Nuala Carey as one of the first non-meteorologist presenting the weather, they could only present the weather on RTÉ2 at the time), with eircom sponsorship.

    while here is the last news programme on RTÉ2 in 2014, with an RTÉ end caption.

    But at lest those end captions don't constantly have Your Public Service Media through across them.

    Post edited by RoTelly on

    ______

    In the end they were just greedy, they all knew one another and knew what to expect more money for no return, it was a secure cash flow, but in fairness they looked for what they wanted and fair dues to them for that, and wouldn't you be doing the same!

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 12,954 Mod ✭✭✭✭icdg


    Not a hint of RTE branding whatsoever. The only time RTE ever got mentioned on N2 (CAs still called it “Network 2”) at the time was infrequent cross-promotions for RTE One. Even the sport was branded “N2 Sport”. You’d be forgiven for thinking it was a complete separate company from RTE.

    All put into hard reverse in September 2003 when RTE branding suddenly reappeared everywhere - a newly introduced DOG, the news became RTE News again, RTE Sport reappeared, etc. The N2 name lingered on for another twelve months or so but it’s card was marked at that stage and it was reverted to RTE Two a year later.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,145 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    Why though for what reason, purely to bring it in under the brand of RTÉ? Because I'd argue that once that change was made and RTÉ TWO and RTÉ2 began to really become much more of the "second channel", that final News programme, clearly distinct from RTÉ News (bar the RTÉ2 logo).

    There is nothing clearly identifiably Irish or local on RTÉ2 now, save for sport and a smattering of children's content. It could easily be mistaken as VMTV FIVE.

    And lets remember no one refers to 2fm, Lyric or RnaG along with the parent brand.

    Not even RTÉ

    https://about.rte.ie/2026/05/22/beta-da-silva-hosts-live-performances-from-20-new-irish-artists-in-sessions-from-oblivion-on-2fms-new-music-show/

    Not once in that press release is RTÉ mentioned.

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    In the end they were just greedy, they all knew one another and knew what to expect more money for no return, it was a secure cash flow, but in fairness they looked for what they wanted and fair dues to them for that, and wouldn't you be doing the same!

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 12,954 Mod ✭✭✭✭icdg


    It was a thing they did at that time. RTE branding appeared everywhere across the networks. So on 2FM for example the station branding changed to “RTE 2FM” and the news bulletins changed from “2FM News” to “RTE News on 2FM”. Both TV channels got DOGs with the RTE logo in them both. CAs on N2 started announcing the channel as “RTE Network 2”, which was a big clue as to what was coming around the corner a few months later. I get the impression the name would have changed fully there and then if new idents had been ready.

    But the rot was already setting in at N2 at that stage, and the change to RTE Two in 2004 actually improved things, if only for a while. It wasn’t till much later, well into the 2010s, that things started to get really bad, and we started moving through the situation we have now where it’s a home for sport and kids and most of the rest is repeats. (Even the kids stuff is mostly repeats, actually, but at least they are doing something to cater for that audience).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,145 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    Officially the station names are RTÉ 2FM, RTÉ Lyric FM and RTÉ RnaG, much like officially its "the RTÉ News channel".

    RTÉ TWO was filled with much of what had already been developed for N2 / RTÉ N2, it was largely just a lick of paint (which as we have mentioned is need once and a while … 12 years on).

    Rot began with RTÉ TWO, Raw the last of the drama's commissioned for the channel moved over to RTÉ ONE in its second season, pretty much ending "Monday Night Comedy / Monday Night Original programming" on the channel. Then the channel was besieged by pilot series such as the ongoing "Storyland*" and "The Format Farm".

    RTÉ NEWS on TWO was eventually dropped for no real reason, it as you say had pretty much become a repeat of the main RTÉ NEWS from ONE by that point.

    That dive into the current era started with its rebrand as RTÉ TWO.

    As for catering for children on 2… They cut funding to children's programming in 2016, moving it to the indo sector, suggesting that they were not cutting and that they were committed to Children's and Young People's content, but they have yet to reverse those cuts and what little they do today for that audience is still way below the levels of 2015. (Just look at both the annual reports for RTÉ and their Commission Unit they spend a pittance on children/young people and dress it up as thriftiness).

    *Correction indeed Storyland lead to the last scripted comedy/drama on the channel, The Hardy Bucks, but its lead to very little else. And many at the time complained that really it was developed on YouTube long before storyland.

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    In the end they were just greedy, they all knew one another and knew what to expect more money for no return, it was a secure cash flow, but in fairness they looked for what they wanted and fair dues to them for that, and wouldn't you be doing the same!

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,310 ✭✭✭✭thesandeman


    Looks like somebody pressed the wrong button. We're back to Euronews tonight ☹️.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,145 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    ______

    In the end they were just greedy, they all knew one another and knew what to expect more money for no return, it was a secure cash flow, but in fairness they looked for what they wanted and fair dues to them for that, and wouldn't you be doing the same!

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,202 ✭✭✭iseegirls


    The end of the US juggernauts being on RTE2 killed a lot of their shares. Desperate Housewives was a huge hit for them, and then there were shows like Lost, Prison Break, Grey's Anatomy, Friends that had a huge loyal audience.

    I cant think of anything recent that has had such a bigger impact than most of those programmes. The effect of Netflix, Sky having exclusivity etc.. had a dramatic effect on their schedules. Same went for TV3, although they hadn't as much bigger hits (Sex and The City, Glee perhaps) - but they've regressed so much to being entirely reliant on ITV Studios to keep their 4 channels airing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,145 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    Many of those Juggernauts came from network TV in the US. None of those really exist any more. All replaced by detective franchises. I'd argue that Grey Anatomy and Desperate housewives are part of the demise of Network TV in the US. Both harking back to the Prime Time Soap (followed by remakes of many of the 80s soaps Dallas, Falcon Crest and Dynasty all returned in some shape or form).

    Though I do see FOX picking up a Doc Martin US remake. But its one of 2 drama's on the channel. Most likely to been seen on Disney+ here.

    Even Netflix and Sky dramas aren't hitting the kind of levels that your talking about, many are niche or they have so many that everyone is watching something else.

    TV3 were never very good with US programming. Sex and The City was offered to RTÉ but they decided against due to the high number of made for TV movies that were part of the package, if you remember TV3's Wednesday night TV movie of the week at the time. Malcolm in the Middle was massive for TV3, looking back on old ratings for them.

    But it doesn't explain the reduction in Home Produced or Local programming on RTÉ2. Many of those show were supplemented by Irish programming, its not like those Irish shows moved to the streamers.

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    In the end they were just greedy, they all knew one another and knew what to expect more money for no return, it was a secure cash flow, but in fairness they looked for what they wanted and fair dues to them for that, and wouldn't you be doing the same!

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,633 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    I remember TV3 having Buffy the Vampire Slayer and a few other teen shows, Thursday nights.
    Charmed, Supernatural I think started out on TV3.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,145 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    This is correct, I think they were part of the Canwest Fireworks distribution package.

    ______

    In the end they were just greedy, they all knew one another and knew what to expect more money for no return, it was a secure cash flow, but in fairness they looked for what they wanted and fair dues to them for that, and wouldn't you be doing the same!

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,145 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    BTW Doc Martin is known as Best Medicine and is on Sky. I though Disney+ has alright to future FOX channel dramas, but that deal may have expired

    ______

    In the end they were just greedy, they all knew one another and knew what to expect more money for no return, it was a secure cash flow, but in fairness they looked for what they wanted and fair dues to them for that, and wouldn't you be doing the same!

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 287 ✭✭brick man


    The RTE news app has got a refresh rolled out in an update on the app store , new layout though im not so sure its a better layout?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39 bpotogo


    Surely there's no denying that the "N2" look was actually very cool and futuristic looking for it's time ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39 bpotogo


    Even 20 years ago when RTE Two had the big American shows and home produced youth shows like The Cafe and podge and Rodge, I feel it's identity crisis was already there because often at 8pm it would be showing random BBC nature documentaries, or reruns of Hands and Mike Murphy's Australia.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,145 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    RTÉ suggests that this was to compliment RTÉ ONE.

    07:00 - 17:30 The Den

    17:30 - 19:00 TTV / TWO TUBE

    19:00 - 21:00 Documentaries (Nature, History)

    21:00 - 23:00 Mix of Imports and Originals

    23:00 - 23:30 News 2

    23:30 - 03:00 Imports

    They still have the policy for 7pm to 9pm but they seem to have more lifestyle, I wonder why RTÉ are buying in shows like Masterchef and Grand Designs, I can understand David Attenborough wildlife docs or History docs from the BBC.

    ______

    In the end they were just greedy, they all knew one another and knew what to expect more money for no return, it was a secure cash flow, but in fairness they looked for what they wanted and fair dues to them for that, and wouldn't you be doing the same!

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



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