Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Mod Note Added 02/09/25*

gibney is the ultimate example of someone who if they ever got power would be so dangerous it wouldn’t be funny.she’s an absolute menace and hopefully will never get within an asses roar of it

Working together across Europe to boost deportations is exactly the kind of pan-European policy that the EU Migration Pact aims to achieve. Unfortunately, Right wing politics led the UK out of the EU, hampering our ability to have joined-up policy, and Right wing politics has achieved a significant spike of non-EU migration to the UK. And now Right wing politics snipes at every attempt to formulate sustainable, realistic migration policy involving European nations working together to find solutions — including the Migration Pact.

Effective deportations on large scale are not easily achieved. They require partnership and good faith. The Right needs to understand that nuance and the drudgery of policy are necessary building blocks for a sustainable, workable migration system. They can't just live off blaming the Left, foreigners and spectres in Brussels forever — well, their propaganda can, but their policies can't.

Sadly, instead of reflecting on this, they drift ever further to the more extreme voices who propose more extreme solutions that offer tempting short term benefits — before public outcry eventually kills the policy (we got a taste of how that looks in Minneapolis with ICE pitched against the populace).

Interesting that the Home Secretary at the time (Braverman) is now a member of Farage's Reform party.

Absolutely agree. Remember the scrambling around for positive spin on the Govts housing policy when the French embassy warned French students about the crisis in student accommodation here.

https://erudera.com/news/ireland-ministry-says-postponed-projects-for-affordable-student-accommodation-will-be-unlocked/

https://www.rte.ie/news/education/2022/0602/1302630-student-accommodation/

To hell with Irish students. Thy can commute or just haven’t been looking hard enough.

Not sure why you dismiss the idea that someone can develop a mental health condition after being granted asylum as it is not one of your options presented above.

It is likely the attacker will go to prison for a very long time

Wishful thinking. Or perhaps what you want people to think. They are NOT vetted. Majority arrive with no documents and state name - any name of their liking. There are a lot of instances when they actually got leave to remain on false name and then tried to legalize their stay changing name they gave upon arrival to their real name. See, when they wanted to apply for citizenship or travel documents after their claim is accepted they have to provide some paperwork which is impossible to get from their home states on false name.

Also lying about their Age!!

Because that ESRI study he mention take in account all immigrants majority from pretty much around 2004 - 2020 are polish, lithuanian, ukrainian… There is no breakup by country or nationality of immigrants simple because it would expose extreme disparity between immigrants itself.

There should be a full and transparent investigation but there won't be. No journalist is likely to touch it either.

The average annual wage in Sudan works out around €600 to €700. Travel from Sudan to Paris to Dublin and finally on to Belfast probably isn't all that expensive but, still, what was this guy doing in Sudan? Did he pay for his travel to the UK out of pocket? Did he arrive in Belfast already owing money to a 3rd party?

How can it be that this resourceful and determined man was able to pay his way out of Sudan make his way through Paris, Dublin and on to Belfast but then on contact with British soil he just becomes a completely useless individual dependent on the UK taxpayer to survive?

Was he claiming social welfare in both the UK and down here?

What was he doing with his time in the UK? Learning English? Looking for work?

How did it come to pass that an individual, resourceful enough to pay for and complete his journey to Belfast, after 3 years found himself out in the street trying to behead a vulnerable man? Whats the timeline there and how did this all come to pass?

What kind of government employees, charity workers or potential criminal groups did this guy come in to contact as he went from Sudan to Paris to us and then on to the north? Did nobody every notice anything "off" with the guy?

You could take any one of these mysterious individuals who end up causing so much harm and ask exactly how they got here and exactly how they flew under the radar until they finally ruined some lives.

Even the Congolese guy who ended up being a victim himself, does nobody care how a guy able to get himself from there to here, with all the costs and processes involved, couldn't offer anything more than being a career shoplifter who broke the hip of an 80 year old in the process of shoplifting?

Why is nobody even remotely interested in finding out the actual story behind these guys?

Very true

Ipswich school triggers inquiry into 'pupil aged 30'

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-suffolk-46325248

Almost 300 asylum seekers claiming to be children were adults | Newstalk

It's a pity I have to link to Claire Byrne. Horrible individual.

The EU Migration Pact isn't primarily a deportation pact. It is much broader than that. It is a framework covering asylum procedures, burden-sharing, border management, crisis response, screening, and returns. The Pact aims to create a common migration management system. Whether that system ultimately results in significantly more deportations is a separate question altogether.

There may well be public support for increased deportations, but it is far less clear that the same appetite exists within the political and institutional classes responsible for implementing policy. I can easily envisage a situation where many of the pact's other mechanisms are implemented relatively quickly, while deportations become bogged down in years of debate; legitimate debate around issues like feasibility, cost, legality, humanitarian obligations, diplomatic cooperation, which inevitably ends with legal challenge.

There is also a practical obstacle that is often overlooked: deportations do not depend solely on the political will of European governments. They will require cooperation from migrants' countries of origin, including the verification of identities, the issuing of travel documents, and agreement to accept returnees.