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Belfast Far Right Riots 2026 [Mod Note in OP]

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,270 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    Note here that if somebody calls for stricter asylum policies, they are called racist.

    I never mention race or religion.

    Bogus AS come in all shapes, creeds and colours. Their race or religion is not relevant. What is relevant is that their claim is bogus.

    I say that all bogus AS should be removed within a week of arrival.

    Yet I am called racist.

    We can't have a mature debate until this stops.

    It is not racist to call for the removal of bogus AS.

    It is nothing to do with race. It is to do with the huge costs that bogus AS impose on taxpayers, €20 billion+ since 1995.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,462 ✭✭✭SAMTALK


    These "protests" are just an excuse for a certain cohort to cause havoc in society . Hurting innocent families and causing damage to their own areas.

    I would imagine half if not more of those out in the black tracksuits dont even know whats going on in the country at the minute

    Peaceful protests fine but this is just thuggery



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,057 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Have the police not come down with proper heavy force to stop this anarchy? Cops knew this was going to happen. Maybe they don't have the resources, but scenes of people's homes being torched by mobs is nothing but anarchy….this has to be met with severe law responses…..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,270 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    No, he was granted leave-to-remain, which means his asylum claim failed, but they let him stay.

    That is the problem.

    Although the vast majority of asylum claims in RoI fail (correctly), we give them leave-to-remain, and let them stay.

    THAT IS THE MAIN PROBLEM.

    We should not give failed AS leave-to-remain.

    Instead, they should be removed from the country.

    Post edited by Geuze on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,683 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    Asylum seekers have a legal right to claim asylum. If the decision is not to grant asylum then yes, they should be removed



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 454 ✭✭Lofidelity


    Rioting is as synonymous with Belfast as the Titanic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 359 ✭✭Arseboxing


    On a thread about the fascist Belfast pogroms you're whinging about Roderic O'Gorman and Catherine Day and Fianna Fail and Fine Gael.

    But no criticism for the people perpetrating fascist pogroms or the extremely rich and powerful fascist parasites like Musk and Farage and Yaxley-Lennon who whipped them up.

    Twisted priorities to say the least.

    Extremely twisted.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,057 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Because the absolute biggest problem is the disgusting greedy gravy train for the legal eagles, who will fight tooth n nail to keep these failed asylum seekers here…appeal after appeal…rotten system driven by nothing but greed for money



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,087 ✭✭✭UrbanFret


    Bit ironic considering they're the descendants of the non native scotch planters. If only the locals could have repelled them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,270 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    Yes 100%, but this does not happen, that is my main complaint.

    We know that 165,000 AS made claims since 1995.

    We know that 80% are bogus. (I contend that it's 100%, but we will leave that aside)

    Therefore, 132,000 people should have been removed.

    THAT DOES NOT HAPPEN, the failed AS are given leave-to-remain.

    Leave-to-remain opens up the full suite of welfare and social housing.

    So on top of the €20 billion cost of processing the 165,000 claims, then the further costs imposed on taxpayers are huge.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,198 ✭✭✭ArthurDayne


    This is the very reason though why there is always sensitivity about reporting of these kinds of incidents. We have people on here complaining all the time that details of a perpetrator's ethnicity or migration status aren't announced at the drop of a hat when time and time again it is demonstrated to us that there are those who simply ride the wave of outrage and use this information to wreak havoc and cause risk to law abiding and peaceful foreign nationals and members of ethnic minorities.

    At the end of the day, the reaction to crimes committed by migrants bears far greater risk to other migrants than the reaction to crimes by anyone else. That is a situation created by those who react to these events with violence and intimidation.

    They call for honest conversations on migration but their violence and thuggery (including those who happily stoke it online then wash their hands of it) make honest conversation impossible.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 359 ✭✭Arseboxing


    Clearly you think anybody who disagrees with you on anything is a troll. You must have a very sheltered existence.

    Lynching

    Lynching is an extrajudicial killing carried out by a mob. It involves a group of people executing an individual without a legal trial, often as a form of vigilantism, mob justice, or deliberate intimidation meant to enforce social control. [1]

    If the killing of Yves Sakila wasn't a lynching, nothing is.

    It wasn't a lynching in the same way that the fascist Belfast pogrom wasn't far right, as some posters have been telling us.

    The only reason one would deny it was a lynching is that one approved of it.

    Which those far right views clearly did, because they like watching black people die on camera, though they are too cowardly to admit it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,683 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    The UK government granted asylum to the attacker on a temporary protection status (permission to stay as a refugee or person with humanitarian protection). This period is for five years and the person can apply for indefinite leave to remain closer to the expiration. People granted leave to remain are not failed or bogus asylum seekers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,270 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    I condemn all violence.

    I also condem the politicans who by their actions, encourage and allow bogus AS into the country, at huge cost to taxpayers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,057 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    You saying that Yves' death was a lynching is a disgrace.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 359 ✭✭Arseboxing


    The honest conversation people don't want to have is that the bleatings of people about asylum seekers and immigrants are hysterical nonsense.

    People who get their views from Facebook, who don't know anything about the world, and whose worldview exists entirely through slogans and buzzwords, now set the public discourse agenda through swarming the information space with bullshit.

    Ireland is a safe country, a good country and has a healthy level of immigration. What is a problem is the perceptions of vocal idiots on social media who eat up racist nonsense.

    Immigration isn't going away. Ever. This is technologically driven, economically driven and human nature driven.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,933 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    I know you want us to ask why so that you can get attention and increase your post count (tiresome) but wouldn't it have been easier just to explain your reasoning in the post above? He did offer a definition, argue the point rather than grandstand.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 359 ✭✭Arseboxing


    As far as I can see you think any opinion, or fact, that disagrees with you is a "disgrace".

    You don't get to be an authoritarian control freak about other people's opinions - or facts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,057 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    You said Yves' death was a lynching….that is the only disgraceful thing….

    So, how is it a fact that his death was a lynching? Hint: a lynching involves the actual INTENT to end a human's life. Now, are you going to stand over this claim, that the men who apprehended Yves all meant to end his life?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 359 ✭✭Arseboxing


    What's absolutely hilarious is the idiots who voted for Brexit were the very people who caused a huge rise in non-EU migration to the UK.

    Idiots.

    Why aren't they blaming Nigel Farage for causing something they voted to stop, which wasn't even happening in the first place? Farage isn't stupid. He knew that would be the effect. The likelihood is that that is what Farage actually wanted - to massively increase non-EU migration so he would find it easier to whip up the racist pogroms he's always fantasised about and gain power through a blizzard of bullshit in a pliant corporate media controlled by his filthy rich fascist buddies.

    While all the time working for Russia, who openly want to destroy Britain and everywhere else in Europe, and the US.

    Farage is a traitor to his own country.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,438 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    And there's still a significant chance he'll win the next election. He wants to strip us of our rights and flog the NHS to his masters. People will continue to lap up his lies.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,095 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Its very hard to argue against the sentiment when you look at the circumstances of Monday, and Parnell Square and the Capel Street attack on the Guards.

    Something will have to be done to change the system as it stands, even if it won't be dressed up as a direct capitulation to violent protest.

    But the police on both sides of the border will have to start making an example of these hooded kids burning down houses for jollies. Many of them probably have no idea why they are even there.

    They have to be snatched in the act and summarily tried. There is no alternative but robust policing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 359 ✭✭Arseboxing


    You think stating cold hard reality is a disgrace. You prefer hysterical lies and a world of make believe.

    In your world, to challenge your fantastical opinions is the "disgrace".

    You're very precious.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,057 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    So you're standing over the claim that the men who apprehended Yves, lynched him. Ok…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,438 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Well, no. There's not much point in "robust policing" if the courts and prisons aren't there to back it up. What is the point of a police officer spending hours building a case for some Judge Nolan to rule that boys will be boys.

    I was reading about a case in the UK recently where a man was attacked with a knife. The assailant was arrested and brought before court. He pled guilty and avoided a prison sentence.

    People discussing UK politics need to appreciate how devastating the austerity policies of the2010-2015 coalition government were. They cut 21,000 police officers along with legal aid, local government, social care and plenty else. Brexit didn't help but we can lay all of this at the feet of the Conservative Party.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,151 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    I'd also suspect when prosecutions occur, the guys doing it will turn out to not simply be teenagers. The Dublin riots had a pretty wide age demographic when they ended up in court. In this case, you've got loyalists who aren't doing their first rodeo.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,166 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Any info on the identity of the knife attack victim yet? If it turns out he's a Catholic these lads might come down with a severe case of cognitive dissonance. The lad with the hurley and the Gaelic name running to his rescue is probably already a headwreck for them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,683 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    you've got loyalists who aren't doing their first rodeo

    They are unlikely to be caught as they will have taken precautions. The ones caught may well be the gobshites who thought it was a good idea to join in after listening to other gobshites like Yaxley-Lennon. In order to catch the ones who have done it before, you really need to nab them whilst doing it and that simply did not happen last night



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,057 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    People need to stop fixating on this being a loyalists rioting response issue. If this barbaric attack happened in a predominantly nationalist area, there is very likely a similar response. This is NOT a loyalists are pissed issue, or a nationalists are pissed issue…it's a people are pissed issue up north with the dangerous levels of immigration into their communities. They are all singing from the same hymn sheet.

    And the rioting and attacking homes and people of color is absolutely not the response needed. This response is utter anarchy that needs to be severely dealt with.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,057 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Yes, I saw an article today naming him and showing a photograph….Ogilvile I think was the surname

    The victim of Monday's horrific knife attack in a Belfast street has been named locally as Stephen Ogilvie.



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