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Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Mod Note Added 02/09/25*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,014 ✭✭✭OscarMIlde


    I wonder if we can expect interviews with Irish people in the Guardian about how terrified they are after this, or is that treatment just reserved for the Congolese resident in Ireland.

    “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.”


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,891 ✭✭✭El Gato De Negocios


    Sure you need to look no further than this very site and this very forum.

    Theres a thread with thousands of posts thats titled "Gript - A source of misinformation". There is a concerted effort to place an immediate sheen of dubiousness on anything that comes from a particular source.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,201 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    Why the f**k are Somalians on this island?

    Seriously!? There's no social or economic argument for it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,068 ✭✭✭Grab All Association


    Remember when Sinn Fein was up and down in the polls during the years of austerity with Fine Gael and Labour in power, later a FG government propped up by FF. There'd be threads here and there and everywhere about them every day. But the people starting these threads would scarper for a few days when something embarrassing/corrupt/incompetent would come out about Fine Gael and Labour.

    Its funny now that these people are all on the same side now. They'll avoid this thread like the plague for the next couple of days until the story dies down.

    Maybe they'll be reading what everyone is posting and reporting posts, but you can guarantee that most of the usual defenders will not be posting on here for a while.

    We might get one or two accusing everyone of hating brown people.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 230 ✭✭Perfidious Cretin


    But think about all that Somalia and Somalians contributed to us and to the world. Things like... Ah...



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,597 ✭✭✭batman_oh


    Can't say anything bad about Somalian refugees. It doesn't matter how many are unemployed forever or how many people they stab in the eye or try to decapitate. We must accept them all if they feel like coming here. Unfortunately we are getting a few hundred a month at the moment.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 300 ✭✭Perseverance The Second


    Make sure to give your Boys an Education beyond what the State provides- Because they will be consumed by the same ideology that enabled this incident to occur. Ground them in the works of Pearse, Collins and Connolly amongst others at a minimum.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 29,957 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    The problem I see is… where do they go?

    America is a basket case and will continue to be long after Trump, the UK is a mess as well with the problems caused by their own migration "misadventure", the effects of Brexit etc. Europe similarly is no better but at least they are trying (belatedly) to halt the flow and reduce the damage.

    I've a young teenager myself and I really do worry about the country he'll be inheriting.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,792 ✭✭✭creedp


    What I’m assuming is that at least we will hopefully be spared the likes of this type of disingenuous shithousery this time around

    How would you describe an extra-judicial killing carried out as a public spectacle, so? Or does the fact that the original intent may not have been to kill make it OK?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 29,957 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    That's a good point as well - some of the "content" being peddled to kids in schools these days is very questionable.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,936 ✭✭✭enricoh


    A retired neighbour dropped in toys for my kids a few weeks ago. My kids would be too old for them n I said to keep them for when grandkids were visiting from Oz.

    He said they were selling up n moving to Oz as otherwise they'd see them every few years. His 2 kids are flying it over there n not coming back.

    We await with bated breath to see if the council or a charity buys it n what turns up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,891 ✭✭✭El Gato De Negocios


    Huge protest planned in Belfast. 26 roads will be closed and all businesses asked to close at 5.30. Hopefully the crowd can control themselves / eachother as it would be only too easy for this to be waved away as far right thuggery if anything illegal goes on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,619 ✭✭✭AyeGer


    Diversity is most definitely not a strength. Sick to my stomach what happened that poor fella in Belfast. That’s our future thanks to weak politicians, cowardly media and dumb voters.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,462 ✭✭✭Photobox


    I would have agreed that there would be a tipping point at some stage, I don't believe that anymore. No matter what happens, it will be downplayed and we will be gaslit. Even wanton savagery that occurred in Belfast won't be enough. It's beyond distressing what has happened. I can't even imagine how that victims family are coping. Horrific.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,270 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    What I can't understand is…………there are attempted ISIS-style beheadings, and yet the SocDems are rising in popularity?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,146 ✭✭✭dabbler2004


    "All businesses to close at 5.30 NO EXCUSES"

    I think it won't take too long for trouble to appear there unfortunately.

    https://belfastmedia.com/social-media-calls-for-protests-and-road-closures-in-wake-of-north-belfast-attack

    The above is the first link I found for Belfast protest



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 670 ✭✭✭Coolcormack1979


    when path to power was worth listening to when Ivan Yates was the only attraction for listening they done a live show from cork.the “lovely “ holly was a guest.in a follow up pod Yates gave his opinion of her as being as useful as an empty milk churn.talked a lot but absolutely nothing between the ears.

    She looks good and is the new hot young thing now that Mary Lou is a busted flush.the media are typically trying their collective best to promote her at every opportunity to get her into government.

    Unfortunately there’s enough stupid people out there that think let’s give her a go.if you think the greens in government were bad you ain’t seen nothing yet.the push for open asylum here to any yoke that rocks up will be extraordinary



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,037 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    The Belfast incident….what's background to it? Known to each other or just a random attack with a knife by a refugee/immigrant on an Irish citizen?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 149 ✭✭Migdal_Or


    I have a niece who is studying medicine at a Dublin NUI. Before the white coat ceremony, the students were asked how many were planning on staying in Ireland. Apparently, they do this every year. One person put up their hand.

    In isolation, that's bad enough, but my brother got chatting to one of the lecturers, and she told him that it was exactly the same last year, and chances are it'll be the same next year.

    Despite all the gaslighting we see in the media, everyone knows where we are and where we are going. Young people are getting an education and getting the hell out of this place.

    That's the norm now. We've just got some work done on our house, and we've had various trade men here, and each and every one of them said that it's like that all over Dublin, Kildare and Meath.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,501 ✭✭✭actuallylike


    The usual suspects are silent of course because they're waiting for the unrest that follows so they can tell us that this is what we should be focusing on.

    Was the same with Parnell Square. Was the same with Yousef Palani.

    But, how it's reported, I'm sensing a shift. e.g. it started off as "stabbing" but it's been quickly updated to take into account the severity. And the nationality of the accused. And it's being widely reported. Other cases, like the murdered Romanian sex worker in Limerick weren't given this fairness.

    Maybe finally, the Overton window is shifting.

    However, we can never forget the people who tried to downplay this.



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  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 11,898 Mod ✭✭✭✭squonk


    Before you even get to multiculturalism there are heaps of new housing developments going up now around the place with barely room to swing a cat. Grand now with tiny kids but they’ll grow up and will barely have a back garden to play in. All else being equal it’s storing up trouble but it’ll just feed into the rest of the problems



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,177 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    I will give credit where credit is due. Front and centre headline today and they identified him as Somalian. Unlike another story yesterday which they featured further down before it disappeared, despite being one of the most talked about incidents ever in Ireland.

    But yeah the footage was there to see last night and it should have been highlighted how brutal it was straight away.

    Second incident like this recently after that poor girl was killed brutally by the IPAS center resident in the republic.

    I'm on the verge of a site ban. Please don't rage bait me, I'm easily triggered especially late at night!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 965 ✭✭✭JPCN1


    saw the video. Sick to my stomach. Belfast will explode tonight.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 230 ✭✭Perfidious Cretin


    That's the issue. All we have is this small island in the Atlantic. It's our home and our only one. All the Indians, Africans and middles eastern lads can all piss off home when they've sucked the last few bob from us. We have nowhere to go. And why should we. Mass deportations are needed ASAP. They all need to go back. Men, women and children. All gone back to wherever the hell they came from. Not our problem.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,625 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    There have been many incidents were we thought there would be a tipping point like Ashling Murphy or the poor men in Sligo to name 2 incidents. The reason I believe there hasn't been a tipping point is fear that people have of being labelled a racist or xenophobe or far right. Also the people involved on the extremes of both sides left and right are horrible nasty people that no normal sane person would want to be associated with and they are the ones that turn up to every protest.

    I can understand the police/gardai looking to downplay these incidents in trying to keep the peace as we seen what happened with the Dublin riots. The media are caught also in a difficult position on how to report these incidents as they also don't want to be accused of inflaming the situation but on the other side it makes them a target as well for not those on the extremes to accuse them of bias. Which might be true in some cases. Because the gardai and media down play it gets the politicians who are the cause of this mess off the hook. The politicians that responsible for this and any others that support this should be run out of office



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,177 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    That's not London knife culture. That's ISIS level culture. You can hear a couple of Akbar's and Walahi mentioned in the video.

    I hope to God that victim pulls through and I hope his eyesight is intact.

    I'm on the verge of a site ban. Please don't rage bait me, I'm easily triggered especially late at night!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 300 ✭✭Perseverance The Second


    https://x.com/columeastwood/status/2064261917355434486

    Looks like Column Eastwood is the first of the progressive ideologues to pipe up.

    "The horrific scenes in North Belfast should not be used by English, right wing politicians to further their own ends. I don’t ever remember them commenting on any of the other hellish things that community has experienced over the years."

    The People of Belfast will be treated to the same Media Treatment as we have seen with the Nowak Case. Any such discussions will simple be cast away as 'divisive'

    It's takes a truly twisted individual to be more concerned about 'English, right wing politicians' than about the impact of the attack itself - No Sympathy for the family, Friends or Community to be seen.

    Which tells you all you need to know on his list of priorities



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 319 ✭✭queueeye


    Coppinger and her ilk will keep their heads down on this one as they can’t blame Irish society for it.

    https://x.com/RuthCoppingerSP/status/1716771647741673768



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 149 ✭✭Migdal_Or


    They'll be wishing for unrest. That gives them the 'get out' card they want. The incident is too barbaric to ignore, so they'll need to give some ground, but it'll be the bare minimum.

    I just had a look at The Journal, and the headline is: "Man arrested on suspicion of attempted murder following 'horrific' stabbing incident in Belfast."

    I suspect that the SF/SD motion regarding the Israel game might be used later in the day to help deflect attention from this.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 357 ✭✭Arseboxing


    Which has a higher homicide rate?

    Ireland or Hungary?

    Which has a higher homicide rate?

    Ireland or Poland?



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