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Ireland vs Israel - To play or not to play, that is the question Read OP for Mod Warning

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,474 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    If you go back through my posts you'll see that my stance has been and remains that until/unless FIFA ban Israel, Ireland must play the game. So the Israeli tech rubbish is moot on me.

    I'd be fairly sure Robbie Keane has a top notch accountant who would minimise his income tax - he's probably a business rather PAYE - lots of opportunity to assign that cash to business travel, living abroad and all kinds of tax efficiency write-offs.

    So, you going to do the same and admonish Keane for depriving FAI employees of cash or forcing the FAI to make some of them redundant?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,399 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    Have you any proof that robbie Keane was dodging tax given he was living either there or in the UK at the time. He was an FAI employee.

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    You stated Zara are complicit in Genocide elsewhere so your moral stance is wildly inconsistent. Some shops are when it suits your agenda, others aren't when it might mean you have to give up the luxuries in life. Virtue signalling at its finest.

    Robbie Keane is not responsible for any of the FAI financial issues. To even suggest that is utterly bizarre.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,474 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    You stating that "Palestinian supporters" (which is perjorative) chucking tennis balls is somehow rampant violence is pure nonsense.

    And seriously, if the game was held in the Aviva are you suggesting the Irish fans would all of sudden become the hooligans of Europe? No chance.

    Youre only projecting that rubbish to support a stance that is a busted flush. If there would have been any violence, it would come from Israeli fans.

    Ask the Dutch.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,399 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    IMO yes there would be serious disruption at the game. Would have expected multiple pitch invasions from individuals parading Palestine flags and most likely violence outside and not necessarily caused by Israelis either.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,013 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    No, to the Israeli public in fact. If you are having to deny that your country is committing genocide, you are already halfway to being complicit in genocide, especially if the subsequent legal ruling is that it took place.

    You cannot claim "I did not know", when you did know but chose simply to deny what what you were hearing and being presented with. Israelis who are critical of the regime and of the stance of their own fellow citizens make this very point.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,729 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Finally we agree on something.

    It was for show. 100%

    To show that the Israeli state and military don't adhere to international law, and that they get a pass in doing so from many powerful governments and institutions.

    And this is what you are giving tacit approval to them doing because you denigrate people who want them stopped.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,399 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,683 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    Holocaust denial is a criminal offence in most European countries yet we have a lot of European countries perfectly happy to engage in their own denial of Israel carrying out genocide



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,474 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    I never said anything about dodging tax. Tax avoidance is perfectly legitimate and used by many for efficiency. I already said, I agree that Robbie Keane did nothing wrong.

    The point is you also think that too - but then crib about the poor FAI employees having to suffer. Robbie Keane pocketing half a million quid of FAI money is absolutely going to affect them financially. So, you've a foot in both camps. That's the issue.

    If I was Robbie Keane, I'd do exactly the same by the way and have a good old chuckle to myself as I boarded my private jet. Of course, I'm not Robbie Keane. I would have been a far better striker than him and I would have trousered a million.

    By the way, I never said Zara was complicit in Genocide. If you recall, you were adamant there was no link to Israel. I said there was a link to Israel. Eventually you had to accede when you read the evidence put to you.

    But according to you anyway, anyone with a bloody phone is complicit in Genocide.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,729 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,474 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    If the game is open door, sure, you can let us know. Perhaps you'll go fully togged out in the Ireland kit and find yourself in a bar with the Israeli fans. Might be a few months before you could type anything of course.

    If you find yourself in a bar with Irish fans, sure, you'll be grand - but don't fall out their Palestine flags or admonish their use of iPhones. That would be "awkward".

    Violent pitch invasions? Are you for real? Even the English couldn't manage that at Lansdowne. You've regressed 20+ years if you think people will be chucking 2 litre bottles of piss around or ripping up seats, let alone invading the pitch.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,960 ✭✭✭csirl


    The game is being moved for security reasons - so the security advice from the Gardai and/or FIFA's security dept re: palestinian protesters, must be that there is a credible threat which poses a risk of death or injury.

    Normally security advice such as this isnt published, so the specifics of the threat are not in the public domain.

    Policing and stewarding plans for major sports games can normally handle a certain level of disruption or poor fan behaviour. Obviously this is something beyond the norm or possibly information about something specific that someone or some people are believed to be planning. Eithet way a very poor refecttion on those involved.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,399 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    The FAI employ coaches. You do realise that if it was not Keane, it would have been somebody else. Or is that too much for you to grasp?

    By the way, I never said Zara was complicit in Genocide. If you recall, you were adamant there was no link to Israel. I said there was a link to Israel. Eventually you had to accede when you read the evidence put to you

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,399 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    We have had pitch invaders at the Aviva before so its very likely It would have happened in the Aviva and I never said violent pitch invasions so please withdraw that false allegation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,399 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,474 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    So let's wait and see what the official reason is for the match being moved - I can assure you, tennis balls will not feature. Israeli hooliganism, absolutely - we e all seen the videos.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,474 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    You got a source for the security reasons being "Palestinian protesters"? With or without their lethal tennis balls?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,960 ✭✭✭csirl


    Yes, will be interesting to see the official announcement.

    At the moment RTE are referencing a group called "Stop the Game".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,729 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    "Complicit" and "supporting" are two different words my guy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,399 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    Well spotted. And the general meaning given the conversation is the more or less the same.

    BTW how is the Celtic game plans progressing?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,729 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    They said that because the FAI could afford to pay Robbie Keane just under 1000/day for every weekday day for 2 years, they clearly had enough money so they don't need to help out right now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,474 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Foot firmly in your mouth paddy. And that was in another thread - tut tut.

    Zara did not organise that event. The connection with Zara was between them and the person who organised that event that is and that event. I told you multiple times to read the link but you didn't, for a while.

    All I said is Zara was linked to Israel - the person who organised the event for Ben-Gvir was, in my opinion, supporting Genocide.

    And as others have posted - "supporting" and "complicit" are not the same. According to you, everyone with a phone is "supporting" genocide.


    Anyhow, to throw your own words back at you

    "I never said Zara was complicit in Genocide so please withdraw that false allegation."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,399 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    Well they wont because they will be playing Israel, fulfilling the nations league fixtures and getting their TV money.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,474 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    So what kind of pitch invasion you talking about? And when were these pitch invasions at the Aviva, carried out by angry flag waving fans?

    And how do you know it would be "likely"? You got the inside scoop on the secret unpublished security reports?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,399 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    Your own words, " zara supporting a genocide"

    Complicit, supporting etc in the general conversation they are meaning or implying the same thing. Getting into semantics now to back track

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,399 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    I never said their was a "flag waving pitch invader" before.

    Please point out where I said that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,474 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Stop digging paddy.

    You're way off topic and quoting from other threads and you're not even abiding by your own excuses for not answering a question now.

    But sure, try and spot the difference here:

    Support primarily means to provide assistance, encouragement, or financial backing to help someone or something succeed.

    Complicit describes being involved with others in an illegal, unethical, or wrongful activity. It implies shared guilt or responsibility—even if you did not directly commit the act yourself, you assisted, encouraged, or deliberately turned a blind eye

    So, I never said Zara was complicit. You lied.

    Be that as it may, Israel is currently before the ICJ on charges of committing Genocide - with Israeli individuals alleged to be complicit in Genocidal Acts to the point of the ICC issuing arrest warrants for war Crimes.

    FIFA should ban Israel, as they did Russia, and consign them to the warmongering bin that has no part to play in world sports.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,474 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Happy to oblige

    IMO yes there would be serious disruption at the game. Would have expected multiple pitch invasions from individuals parading Palestine flags and most likely violence outside and not necessarily caused by Israelis either.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,399 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    Semantics.

    So which is it, do you support Genocide, or are you just complicit?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,399 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    So you dont know the difference between " would have expected" and was.



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