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Ireland vs Israel - To play or not to play, that is the question Read OP for Mod Warning

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,396 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    I don't see Israel qualifying for Euro 2028 unless they top the nations league group by boycott default and get a handy group for the qualifiers as a result.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,253 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    Violence and incitement = tennis balls. Of all the pathetic arguments to make, this has to be the most incredible.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,396 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    Well according to the person I replied to, there was appalling scenes in Tirana last week, objects thrown onto the pitch, players were pushing and shoving each other and the referee even produced two yellow cards.

    So when its Ireland fans protesting against Israel, will the football fans throwing objects onto the pitch be held to the same standard?

    Maybe turn on your sarcasm detector btw



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,474 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    But he took the money, didn't he.

    Could've handed it back if he cared that much about Irish football and those poor starving FAI employees scrabbling to put food on the table.

    Don't recall any FAI employees being made redundant after their employer handed over 500k to Keane.

    Nah - he skipped off into the sunset, happy as Larry. And fair play to him.

    So don't have a moan about the poor FAI employees in one breath then defend Robbie "moneybags" Keane on his sun lounger.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,253 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    I think the israeli hooligans would be able to demonstrate to you what real violence and incitement is.

    Your pearl clutching about tennis balls damaging the pitch is pretty funny.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,396 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    The FAI have indeed made people redundant in the last 18 months though, mainly as a result of the damage John Delaney did.

    Why should he hand it back? He was available to work as per terms of his contract. He has done nothing wrong.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,396 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,474 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    I was replying to another poster who asserted something about "Palestinian supporters" being disruptive and violent. Still awaiting a response.

    Perhaps we're on the same page - a bit of fisticuffs on the pitch, stuff thrown at Israeli players is at the lower and of "violence" - especially as it appears we have both seen atrocious violence at football games.

    To call a few tennis balls chucked on the Aviva pitch "disruption and violence" is going too far. But as I say, that was another poster's claim - not yours.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,394 ✭✭✭Enduro


    That poll does not do what you say it does. Saying "there are no innocent people in Gaza" is not the same as saying "wipe out the population of Gaza".

    And before you ask, I don't agree with collective blame, so I certainly wouldn't support the "no innocents in Gaza" at all, and it reflects badly on the majority of Israelis who support this. Nonetheless, it is not support for genocide. That wasn't asked.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,960 ✭✭✭csirl




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,474 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    I agree - he did nothing wrong.

    But you seem to have selective outrage.

    Robbie Keane pocketing a cool half million, no problem. FAI boycotting the game - please think of the poor starving FAI employees.

    At least try and take a moral position and stick to it. In all circumstances.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,253 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    The question is do you support israel being banned if the other two countries are not? In a perfect world all three would be banned but you cant even seem to support one being banned.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,396 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    I will take a moral stance against robbie Keane when you take a moral stance against every shop which sells, and every person who buys products such as laptops, tablets, phones which have parts manufactured in Israel

    So at least try and take a moral stance and stop being selective about it.

    And if you know anything at all, you would know that about €240,000 of that would end up with the revenue commissioners. So no, Robbie Keane did not pocket a cool half a million.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,960 ✭✭✭csirl


    Throwing any objects onto a pitch while the game is underway should never be tolerated. Even small objects, when thrown from a height could injure.

    Though I doubt that the game was cancelled solely because of tennis balls. My guess is that there is security advice warning of a credible threat of something much worse from the Palestinian side.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,729 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    He doesn't care about any of them being banned.

    He's only trying to use it as an attempted gotcha to invalidate the calls to ban Israel.

    It's like someone complaining because someone else writes to the council because there's broken glass in a playground, but because they didn't mention the broken glass by the highway, he thinks they should stfu.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,474 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    As it happens, the ICJ noted the "intent" to commit genocide as being the most difficult part of the case.

    Stating "there are no innocent people in Gaza" is evidence of intent to carry out "collective punishment" (the "no innocents" quote is attributed to Isaac Herzog, Israeli President who quickly rowed back when he realised what he said. But the horse had already bolted…)

    this all boils down to FIFA growing a pair and banning Israel.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,204 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    It's a net loss for us because other teams play Israel at home and their home ground is now Hungary I believe? By default.

    We should be playing at home with a partisan crowd.

    I'm on the verge of a site ban. Please don't rage bait me, I'm easily triggered especially late at night!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,396 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    FAI statement Wednesday. Hoping it will not be behind closed doors as I would travel over if possible.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,474 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    You stated, quite clearly that it was "disruption and violence" that resulted in the game being moved.

    The hyperbole is off the charts - you actually believe tennis balls thrown onto the surface of a pitch can injure someone?

    At least you're changing your tune now you've been caught.

    There is no way Irish fans protesting Israel would be violent, or be allowed to be violent. A few flags, booing the Israeli anthem and raucous cheers every time Ireland gets the ball or an Israeli hits the deck.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,960 ✭✭✭csirl


    Ive made my positiion very clear. I'm an advocate of the current set up in world sport whereby national federations are completely independent from their governments and, obviously, are not responsible for their governments actions.

    Sport should be regarded as a way of bringing people together - to set example that people from different countries can get along in the spirit of cooperation, even when their governments cannot. Sometimes sporting events are the only time that people from conflicting countries meet and interact with one another.

    If a sports body does something wrong, yes they should be held accountable, but not for things they have no hand or part in. I think its undesireable to blame ordinary people for the wtongs of their governments.

    I know some dont like this approach as ut doesnt suit their political views, but international politics should be kept out of sport as much as possible. I believe more good is done long term when people can see people from different countries/backgrounds getting along together - setting an example.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,960 ✭✭✭csirl


    The game would not be moved if it was just booing, flag waving and peaceful non-violent protest.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,624 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    Doesn't matter where the game is played, if Ireland win it'll be anti-semitism, if Ireland has more fans there it'll be anti-semitism. **** the match and the competition tbh

    People's values shouldn't be threatened by the profits of others



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,253 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    Historically your position would be against the boycott of apartheid South Africa then. So i would be against this position as I think the sports boycott against that country lead to a larger economic boycott and its demise.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,960 ✭✭✭csirl


    Actually no. Most of the major sporting bodies in South Affrica were organised along appartite lines with racial discrimination. This you can blame those orgaanisations for and can suspend them.

    However, I would not have supported a ban for a South African sport that decided to be100% inclusive - just those that werent.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,011 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Israeli public denial there is a genocide may well equate to tacit support for genocide - especially if the ICC subsequently find that genocide was taking place in Gaza all along.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,383 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    I wouldn't think so but given how precious some of flotilla/airport crew are I'm sure tennis balls cause PTSD for some. Roland Garros mustve been traumatic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,253 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    Its good then that most didnt follow your lead. I didnt think anyone would argue in the 21st century that the sports ban on aparthied era South Africa was wrong but here we are.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,383 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Did you miss the post where someone said the Israeli team shouldn't be allowed stay in a hotel? I suppose you dont think Angels like Paul Murphy would arrange a protest at the hotel? Or that any eejit would not deck themselves out in a Palestine flag and try running about the pitch - or should I say delivering aid? There'd be plenty of opportunity for attention seeking that'd be too tempting.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,394 ✭✭✭Enduro


    Israeli public denial

    I presume you're referring to the denial by the Israeli government in public, as opposed to the Israeli public (who, AFAIK, haven't been asked).

    I'm guessing their (the government's) denial won't count for anything if the ICC find that they have been conducting genocide.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,396 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    The flotilla was all for show. LIAM Cunningham left it in Malta and it had was all about protecting his US Visa as he works over there a lot



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