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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,409 ✭✭✭limo_100


    I work shift so sometimes makes it easier for me to work this way. I try my best to give the injections early in the morning but sometimes it could be dinner time and still works the finest. It’s handy so far this year I have 15/25scanned in calf to calf before mid January. 4 more are served 3weeks tommorw 2 are calves around 6 weeks and the rest is late calvers so worked out handy for me but was a lot of extra work all the same.
    There’s two of them I want to come natural as I hope to use sexed semen on them. One of them two had a clear slime coming from her shoulder I have AI’ed her or is there a change she may come in next few days or is 3weeks more likely. She’s about 7 weeks calved



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,772 ✭✭✭148multi


    II know it's tempting but you'll have better conception on second heat, that's not to say she won't hold



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 187 ✭✭BeGrand2025


    in a recent Teagasc webinar they talk about how holding the device in longer than 7 days shortens the spread of heats, especially on repeats, animals will come in heat together over 24-48 hours rather than a 3-5 day spread. The downside of holding it in longer than 7 days is it reduces conception rates.

    The man on the panel said he had it in for 9 days and none of them held their AI but all came into heat together 21 days time and held. I’m not going to be the one to test it but there is evidence a course of just estrumate forcing heats, no serve and then AI’ing on the repeat has very good results.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,532 ✭✭✭funkey_monkey


    Was late getting sucklers out up here. They are into their second week out.

    How long would you hold out before starting a programme?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,556 ✭✭✭Hard Knocks


    Changing the environment could effect conception, give the time to have 1 good cycle before serving



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,409 ✭✭✭limo_100


    if there mostly over 42 days calved and you want to get early calves I would just do it now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,532 ✭✭✭funkey_monkey


    @limo_100 Most will be well over the 42 days (2 cycles), some will be hitting the 3rd cycle - although I've not seen much activity yet.

    There are a couple they won't have hit the 42 day period, so I'll leave them off and do them next time.

    @Hard Knocks are you talking about serving after the 1st cycle? I've put a scratch card on them, so I'll consider a straw if I see them in heat and think they are ready.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,697 ✭✭✭tanko


    I can never understand anyone not putting a straw in on the first heat they see. The first heat is is as good as any imo. One thing is certain, they won’t go in calf if you don’t put a straw into them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,163 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    Would you put a straw in, within a month of calving?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,860 ✭✭✭bogman_bass


    I would. If it holds you have her calving. Earlier if not it only cost you a staw and you can try again in 3 weeks.

    If she wasn’t fit she wouldn’t be bulling



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,556 ✭✭✭Hard Knocks


    Have done and then a repeat 15-21 days later. A sudden change in diet affects cycle and conception. @funkey_monkey if you’re not seeing heat after 42 days it may not be much different at 60 days best take action (Minerals / supplement feed/ twice a day suckling).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 99 ✭✭Sergeant Bilco


    Always seen spring grass stopping heats for about 3 weeks after turn out, can't remember the exact science behind it.

    Use oligovet dry cow here, administered 3 months before calving, heifers get the repro one. Extremely happy with them

    Has anyone ever come across a cow with a double cervix before



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 818 ✭✭✭valtra2


    I would never put in a straw until there are 55 days post calfing. I have found going in too early leads to much higher embryo loss in early pregnancy. Losses at 70ish days in calf are a disaster as this means on a compact calving the cow ends up empty or just very late.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 796 ✭✭✭ABitofsense


    42 days after calving here but ive got them done on first cycle too at 3 weeks and held.

    On a side, doing my own AI here this year and jaysus it can be very hard to get some of the cows. And ones i thought i got perfect have repeated. Frustrating enough but ill keep at it for another week or so and then get a professional in



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,163 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    Is it your first year at AI? Are you getting tru the cervix ok?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,532 ✭✭✭funkey_monkey


    @Hard Knocks They've been given a high iodine bolus. I should have put patches on them all just to check for cycling, but I'm planning to FTAI them, so the protocol should take care of any that aren't cycling. At 45 days from calving they should be ready now, but I'll give them another week out to settle. The changeable weather might not be helping them either.

    I've been told to let them have the 1st cycle and then try them on the 2nd. Not sure if that means I can go FTAI after the 1st, so I'll recheck on that. They all had small calves unassisted, so in theory should be little trauma for them to recover from.

    It would be nice to get 1st service all done together, but I don't think it will be possible.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 187 ✭✭BeGrand2025


    This is a bad year for natural heats because of the long Spring, wet + cold summer and poor grass growth. A good reason to do a program is to get cows cycling. If they hold, happy days, if not then they are cycling and can be caught on the next repeat.

    If a cow is in good health then you should confidently AI early. Last year a cow calved mid April, she was in heat 4 weeks later so I AI’d her, held and she calved mid Feb, cutting 2 months off her calving interval. She’s AI’d again now for early next Feb so not skipping that heat really paid off.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,697 ✭✭✭tanko


    I don’t see how you can’t blame embryo loss on putting cows in calf sooner after they calve.
    I’ve often Ai’ed cows at 4-6 weeks after calving and they went in calf and stayed in calf no bother, anyway each to their own.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 818 ✭✭✭valtra2


    It's more to do with stress of calving and her needing time. Look i have do it and sometime it works OK sometime not. It's just my rule of thumb now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 99 ✭✭Sergeant Bilco


    One of the biggest side effects of insemination on early heats here is a significant drop in milk yeild, am considering delaying cows for another month, currently cows coming in at 6 weeks, have a vacamised bull with a chin ball, a few done that I never seen standing, mostly during the night



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 796 ✭✭✭ABitofsense


    Yeah first year at it. Some i am, but some Im not 100% sure i have. I've notes against all of them so i know which ive felt ive got and ones that were 50:50. Really struggled with the heifers. Got AI man in for them. Doing my own really helps flexibility and timing suits me so ill keep at it. Small numbers so a bit of spread in calving is ok but not ideal



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 119 ✭✭Barron lad


    I done a program on my cows, One of them the AI man commented that he didnt think she was cycling but she has passed the 45 day mark and never came into heat since. Do you think she is gone incalf or still not cycling ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,539 ✭✭✭visatorro


    First year at it too. You may just stick at it. Id be flying then a couple and youd know you didnt get them and its knocks the confidence abit. I have the bull running with heifers. I had imagined heifer harder to do but I watched dara Walton on youtube saying he prefers doing the heifers because everything is where its meant to be, which I never really thought of. I get it hard to find the cervix on some of the 1st lactation cows here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,532 ✭✭✭funkey_monkey


    @ABitofsense @visatorro what numbers are you AI'ing?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 187 ✭✭BeGrand2025


    Only a scan will be able to tell you. She is either in calf or hasn’t cycled at all. Might need an injection depending on what’s going on.

    Just finished up AI’ing another sync group today. I watched them 4-5 times a day making note of who was standing and for what times. It was quite spread out over 30 hours. One cow didn’t show up in heat but the AI tech said she was. Must be a silent hear or only came in during the night for a few hours.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 119 ✭✭Barron lad


    Il scan her in the next couple of weeks with the rest of them, I finished serving the cows so she is either incalf or she isnt at this stage. I have the smaxtex system and 12 of the cows were in the one batch and they came mad into heat the evening before serving and then this lady and a comrade were separate to the group and they didnt show up on it at all. Be Interesting to see the scan results.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 818 ✭✭✭valtra2


    How do you find the smarttex system for sucklers,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 119 ✭✭Barron lad


    It worked well for Calving but heat detection has been hit and miss for me but that is more down to my land type than the system itself. I need to work on a paddock system for next year, My land is Hilly so not exactly ideal but with better infrastructure it should work better next year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,556 ✭✭✭Hard Knocks




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,532 ✭✭✭funkey_monkey


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