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Dublin Airport New Runway/Infrastructure.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 76,172 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Heathrow would need a single terminal for US flights to get CBP, which wont happen.

    Mullin's brainfart may happen, but it'll destroy US aviation if it does.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 360 ✭✭jwm121


    What is the maximum capacity of the US Pre clearance facility in Dublin? I remember back in 2023/2024 time there was a lot of videos online showing the massive queues in T2 just for pre clearance. I presume that's more ironed out now with more staff etc, because I don't see that now. There's around 40 daily US departures from Dublin this summer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 577 ✭✭✭dublin12367




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,664 ✭✭✭✭cson


    The facility feels overcapacity if you're in the morning bank of flights. While clearing CBP in DUB is nice, post CBP is severely lacking in concessions, space and amenities and is a pretty poor experience if you're not in 51st&Green.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,634 ✭✭✭EchoIndia


    I suppose the pattern of pax throughput is not sustained in the way it is in other areas. Also, there's no early morning wave. Maybe it's less attractive for commercial entities as a result.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 360 ✭✭jwm121


    But surely as the demand grows and more flights are added they will get later into the day, giving more reason. There is little to no space left at the prime times. It’s only a matter of time before we start seeing UA, AA and DL departures later than 3pm. Could they over night too and have earlier departures? I think the earliest now is UA’s 08:50 departure to IAD.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,634 ✭✭✭EchoIndia


    Maybe, but I assume that flight timings by US carriers are mostly aimed at also enabling connection with banks of flights at the US end. If you arrive in the US at a late hour, options in that regard are going to be more limited. (The rumours are that the current EI late departures to BOS and JFK are not heavily booked, so that is at least an indicator of customer preference as to travel times.)

    To overnight aircraft at DUB would work if US operators had daytime eastbounds to Ireland, which currently they don't. Otherwise they would be leaving an aircraft to sit here for the best part of a day before leaving.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,220 ✭✭✭lordleitrim


    https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2025/0507/1511496-appeals-board-clears-dublin-airport-us-customs-expansion/

    Permission was eventually granted by An Coimisuin Pleanala to expand the CBP after Fingal Council unsurprisingly tried to block it. That was over a year ago...I wonder is construction of the expansion imminent?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,755 ✭✭✭Noxegon


    I like daytime eastbound flights. I used the Aer Lingus JFK one a few times when it existed.

    I develop Superior Solitaire when I'm not procrastinating on boards.ie.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 344 ✭✭davebuck


    Looks like the Dublin airport cap legislation is going before government for final approval on the 16th June and then throught the other houses etc.

    Seems very tight timelines to get fully approved by the summer recess?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 577 ✭✭✭dublin12367


    Was meant to go before government in May which the US DOT were satisfied with.

    Another US DOT update due tomorrow after the last 30 day extension.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 299 ✭✭Touristx73


    May be September now if mid July becomes unrealistic, that’s their ‘at latest’ point so far.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 344 ✭✭davebuck


    Pushed out again to the 6th July obviously to allow Darragh O'Brien to bring forward the bill on Tuesday week.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 414 ✭✭Qaanaaq


    What's being built on the site in between the two Aer Lingus hangars? I saw today a load of hegarty construction signs there . I'm not referring to the new Ryanair hangars which is across on the other side of the apron



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,985 ✭✭✭sparrowcar




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 299 ✭✭Touristx73




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,711 ✭✭✭Economics101


    How many dozens of time has the imminent cabinet and/or legislative process for the cap removal been in the news? It's all endless process, the only newsworthy event will be when the actual removal is signed into law.

    No wonder we can't do infrastructure when something as simple as permission to use existing infrastructure properly takes years and years.😡



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 656 ✭✭✭Thunder87


    Indeed, I've been following the whole thing fairly closely throughout and even so I haven't a clue what's actually going on with it, it seems like every other week there's another news story about it being removed asap



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 577 ✭✭✭dublin12367


    each time it passes a stage in the process it’s framed by the media as approved overall rather than just approved at that stage proceeding to the next stage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,634 ✭✭✭EchoIndia


    Getting a Bill published is a big step and, despite what some may believe, will be be the product of painstaking work so as to produce a Bill that's as legally sound as possible.

    Whether it can complete all stages in both Houses of the Oireachtas before the summer recess remains to be seen, but enactment in the autumn should be pretty-much a certainty.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 344 ✭✭davebuck


    Worth the wait as long as its legally tight which seems to be the case, how we ended up here in the 1st place reflects Ireland's approach to critical infrastructure!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,634 ✭✭✭EchoIndia


    This article sheds more light on the cap removal process and suggests, based on the views of a solicitor who specialises in planning law, that the cap won't be removed overnight, assuming the legislation is passed.

    https://www.independent.ie/business/irish-business/dublin-airport-passenger-cap-will-not-be-scrapped-until-next-year-lawyer-predicts/a/157294727.html



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 577 ✭✭✭dublin12367


    This cap farce is beyond ridiculous. It’s no wonder the country’s in a mess with this type of carry on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,634 ✭✭✭EchoIndia


    I am reminded the line in "Juno and the Paycock". https://www.irishexaminer.com/opinion/arid-20454149.html

    What the Indo report also shows is that the "stroke of a pen" advocates of the cap's abolition were mistaken. If that had been legally possible, it would no doubt have been done. The issue has to be resolved in a legally robust way. Otherwise it will just land in the Courts straight away.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 577 ✭✭✭dublin12367


    If you think this is being done efficiently so be it but I beg to differ.


    The cap was first reached in 2019. There’s been 3 governments since the first breach - granted covid. The first government did nothing, the second point blank refused to intervene, and the third are moving at a snails pace. 7 years on and it’s still not over the line and the airport is looking at another year with a cap in place.

    The planning application to raise it is stuck in the system for what will be 3 years come December 2026 with FCC expected to rule in Q1 2027. No doubt it will go to ACP adding another 2 years onto the timeline and possible court cases after that. ~ 6 years for a planning application. Not to mention the night flights cap which first entered the planning system in 2020 and is still not sorted.

    We’ve discussed previous governments failures to address the cap in depth. The current government are a year and a half in power give or take and it’s looking like it’ll be another year before they will issue an order to remove or raise it. Meanwhile the US DOT are breathing down their necks and an ECJ ruling is imminent which is likely to go in favour of the cap. What happens then?


    Some of the airlines told the Oireachtas transport committee they first brought up the cap in the mid 2010s.

    7 years after the first breach in 2019, 3 governments later, 3 planning applications later - 2 withdrawn and one stuck in the system, I can safely say that points to a broken system and daa, fcc, previous and current governments are all responsible. It’s nonsense. You’d be hard pressed to find another country that could make a bigger mess out of a planning condition that was never meant to constrain the airport.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,634 ✭✭✭EchoIndia


    I didn't say that it was being done efficiently. (However I would say that you have to write off at least two years when the resources of many parts of the State were directed to managing the many aspects of the pandemic. Business as usual was suspended.)

    As of now the Bill itself has not yet been published - maybe that is to happen today or later in the week.

    One of the difficulties for the outside observer is to know what work has been done, when, and what degree of priority it has been accorded within the relevant Department (which is headed by a Minister). Also, the Attorney General's advice to the Government is never published so we don't know what has been said about the courses open to the Minister and the legal complexities to be overcome.

    In February 2026 the Oireachtas published this 60-page document on the Heads of Bill (which I have not yet read though in detail). It gives a good idea of the landscape within which the policy and legislation had to be drafted. I am just setting this out for information. I have no skin in the game, so to speak.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 344 ✭✭davebuck


    I'm sure the AG would have a different opinion but the new legislation will take time to implement, another step in the right direction be it slowly but steady.

    If the Greens were still in government nothing would have progressed so lets be happy its progressing and in fairness to Darragh O'Brien he has fought internal resistance to removing the cap.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,634 ✭✭✭EchoIndia


    Text of the Dublin Airport (Passenger Capacity) Bill 2026. It's heavy going!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 989 ✭✭✭Stephen Strange


    It’s a clever piece of legislation. Obviously the legal advice is that they couldn’t just blanket remove the cap, so they’ve brought legislation that allows daa to apply to Minister for Transport to remove any condition imposed by Fingal County Council relating to passenger caps.

    The Minister has to consult and allow An Comisiun Pleanala examine any environmental impact assessment. It also means that this can be used any time FCC decide to impose a cap, while remaining compliant with European law.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 360 ✭✭jwm121


    daa could just have 5 thousand cargo flights a day flying the same flight paths and there would be no issue with the cap. It has no depth. Yes the cap does mean an increase in flights but the cap has nothing to do with movements, airport infrastructure, take offs, etc. The amount of shite this thing has got tangled up in is just so frustrating. Vast majority of TDs and councillors have zero idea what they are talking about in relation to Dublin Airport too…



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