How many of us think that unification is no longer a priority and don't really want unification ?

I think it's a case of how you view the world versus how I do.

That's just how it is.
Nothing to do with 'Irish interest' btw.
A BP will be called in the GB's interests.

And a UI now suits GB's pursuit of sovereignty. Partition royally came back to bite them. That penny is still dropping.

I do follow it somewhat and analysed why GB threw NI (Unionism) under a bus so callously and easily when it came to their own selfish interests.
Partition had come back to bite them and restricted their sovereignty. That was not lost on them. Unionists have to hope that GB will not seek further divergence from the EU you would think but like moths to a flame they are pushing for it, one strategic blunder after another.

There is the wider geopolitics to consider as well - the threat from Russia. That alters the internal UK view of what should happen to Northern Ireland.

So the whole idea of there being a border poll is just wild guesswork then?

Of course it is guesswork. Just as ruling one out is.

There won't be a 'single game changer'. It will for be an on-balance or future prospects decision, for the 'game changing' undecided's.

You seem to think inveterate anti-UIers and active partitionists are owed a debate. You aren't.
You are not the target audience of the stuff you posted. Why would anyone waste time and effort with the closed mind you display? Would be a bit like asking Jamie Bryson to engage positively.

The Green Paper one is from 2005, but one could be forgiven for thinking it's from last year, as it's the exact same thing as they (and Francie) say today. 20 years and not a single idea or suggestion, plenty of tricolours mind so that seems to be off the table anyway.

'The creation of a united Ireland is the primary political objective of Sinn Féin.
We are working to make this a reality in our time. There is an onus on all those
who advocate national reunification, especially the Irish Government, to plan
and take steps to achieve it.'

'Sinn Féin is setting out our roadmap to Irish unity and we believe
that others should do the same.'

Who knew that SF had charged themselves with planning and taking steps to achieve a UI 20 years ago? Still setting out that roadmap i guess.

And there we have it in black and white. You think a UI should be based on nothing more than a sectarian headcount, everyone else can fcuk off. Remind me of why you consider NI to be a failed state again? Surely it wasn't because it was based on a sectarian headcount which told anyone else to fcuk off?

Engage positively? Pot and kettle sir!

All is forgiven, there is a plan, though it would seem that SF are far more open to debate with 'belligerents' than you are.

Some more than conciliatory proposals being suggested here, most importantly that they be resolved PRIOR to reunification. Have to say I agree with it, why isn't it front and centre of SF policy?

@downcow it's worth a read.

'The agreement of a significant section of
people who are now described as unionists is
required for the building of a united Ireland.'

Matt Carthy

Pre-eminent dismissal of engagement with the likes of Jamie Bryson is not my idea of a 'united' Ireland. Anyone who thinks it is, is as responsible for the perpetitude of 'partition' as they are imo.

You constantly accuse others of being partitionist based on a now imaginary border, yet partition people who live on this island simply because they don't agree with you.

Which is the more rational view?

Ah you do.

Anyway the author of the SF plan is a genius, pretty much covers everything, no idea why it seems to have been 'disappeared'.

This could involve:
▶ Weighted parliamentary majorities in
relation to legislation on fundamental
issues, where such fundamental issues
are identified and agreed in advance
of reunification;
▶ A guaranteed minimum number
of parliamentary seats for unionist
representatives in the upper house of
a united Ireland;
▶ Other arrangements.

This could involve:
▶ A new constitution for a new, united
Ireland;
▶ A Bill of Rights for all citizens and an
all-Ireland charter of fundamental
rights;
▶ New symbols and emblems to reflect
an inclusive, agreed Ireland;
▶ People who hold British citizenship
continuing to hold such citizenship
and having the right to pass this on
to their children without prejudice to
Irish citizenship;
Irish reunification will mean new and better
relationships within Ireland, between Ireland and
Britain, and between Ireland, mainland Europe and the
rest of the world.
A new and unified Ireland will be pluralist, inclusive
and accommodating to all our people in all their
diversity.
The Orange tradition is an Irish tradition and
the British identity of many people in the North
must be accommodated in an agreed, united
Ireland.
▶ Irish language and culture being
supported and encouraged by the
state and made more accessible to all
citizens, likewise with Ulster Scots;
▶ Constitutional recognition of
the unique identity of Northern
unionists and the British cultural
identity of a significant number of
people in the North of Ireland;
▶ Expression being given to the
relationship between unionists and
the British monarchy;
▶ A constitutional guarantee of a
pluralist education system that
reflects the two main traditions on the
island and those other cultures and
ethnicities which have come to our
shores in recent years;
▶ Recognition of the place of the loyal
institutions (including the Orange
Order) in the cultural life of the nation;
▶ Changes to the Irish Constitution to
remove the overt influence of any one
church or faith

This could mean:
▶ Continued devolution to Stormont
and a power-sharing Executive in the
North within an all-Ireland structure;
“It is the firm will of the Irish nation, in harmony and
friendship, to unite all the people who share the territory
of the island of Ireland, in all the diversity of their
identities and traditions, recognising that a united Ireland
shall be brought about only by peaceful means with
the consent of a majority of the people, democratically
expressed, in both jurisdictions in the island.”– From Article 3 of the Irish Constitution, as
amended in 1998 and endorsed by 94% of
voters in the South of Ireland
influence – as opposed to being a tiny minority largely
ignored within the British parliamentary system.
All of this creates an opportunity for a more
open, imaginative and accommodating approach to
reunification.
New accommodations and political arrangements
could serve to transcend old communal, cultural and
sectarian divisions.
All of us who wish to see a united Ireland need to be
open to considering transitional arrangements.
▶ A federal or confederal arrangement;
▶ A unitary state;
▶ Other arrangements

Any opinion about any of this?