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BusConnects Dublin - Bus Network Changes Discussion

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  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 24,360 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    All very hypocritical given the government apparently haven’t given the NTA enough budget to continue the rollout of BusConnects this year!

    I believe all our current plans, BusConnects, DART+, Metrolink, Luas Finglas are fundamentally sound and the government just need to shut up and making the funding available to get them going.

    From a specific BusConnects perspective, we just need to get on and finish the network rollout and get started on the infrastructure side and uh rollout bus lane cameras today.

    It isn’t rocket science, the only thing that will help short term is simply more buses on the road (and bus lane enforcement).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,043 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    So the answer to the problem of too many buses and not enough drivers is to demand more buses. Got it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,584 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu


    P&R at Bray is built but not open, the bus lanes that were supposed to facilitate it are still bogged down in the planning process having been reduced to about a third the length of what was originally proposed. Urgent, yeah.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,043 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    What was the original completion date for BusConnects?

    I believe planning started 9 yrs ago in 2017.

    9 years into the project & there is no completion date or even a roll out date for the next phase.

    Is a 2030 completion date ambitious now?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,857 ✭✭✭rx8


    2030, yeah right... The Metro will be running first..!!



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  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 24,360 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    LOL, the network side was originally supposed to only take 6 months to a year, while the infrastructure side was supposed to be complete by 2027!

    9 years later we are only half way through the network side and only just starting the first infrastructure corridor! It will take another decade at least! Absolutely insane stuff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 320 ✭✭BusGuy


    I swear that nobody can disagree on this:

    Ireland (Dublin too) saw what happened in other European cities. Woke up late, it tried, yet it failed, and still is.

    "Infrastructure"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,916 ✭✭✭mikeybhoy


    Loads of DB cancellations over the weekend. The service at weekends especially Saturdays has become extremely poor recently between cancelled buses and the buses that are operating going past full.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 327 ✭✭DaBluBoi


    TBF there was a VHI Women's Marathon on today that resulted in significant disruptions to routes, as well as DART closures on southside leading to bus system becoming way more overloaded than usual



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,395 ✭✭✭Daith


    Still doesn't really explain Saturday though which at times had gaps of an hour for some routes



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,012 ✭✭✭OscarMIlde


    Yes, they must have been short drivers on C3 route as there were many buses labelled as cancelled from the morning on the RTPI Saturday, also there were a few buses listed as scheduled that were also not running, and a few that seemed to be running that were changed to cancelled at short notice. I don't think any diversions could have explained the sheer number of cancellations that day.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,914 ✭✭✭john boye


    Seems to be a problem today with a huge amount of departures down as scheduled but which are actually running.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,082 ✭✭✭Hippodrome Song Owl


    Yes, 15 C4s officially cancelled on Saturday, plus a few more ghost buses. I gave up trying to get out of Celbridge altogether.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,916 ✭✭✭mikeybhoy


    I would say whats likely happening there is buses are running excessively late and when they get to the outer terminus they are being sent out of service either to the depot or the city centre for handovers.

    Drivers are entitled to their breaks and to finish on time and this is the only way that can be ensured. However on the other hand it wouldn't surprise me either if the company are trying to avoid having to pay drivers OT in order to finish services. But hey ho the NTA should have the solutions to all these problems.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,012 ✭✭✭OscarMIlde


    No many were scheduled as cancelled earlier in the day at regular intervals, so I expect those were due to driver shortages. The other scheduled and short notice cancellations were probably due to being behind schedule.

    “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.”


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,914 ✭✭✭john boye


    There were diversions on the C-spine due to Forbidden Fruit and I'd imagine traffic could have been heavy because of it but I don't know if it explains all the disruptions above.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,916 ✭✭✭mikeybhoy


    There's no driver shortages in Dublin Bus anymore



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,012 ✭✭✭OscarMIlde


    Fifteen is an insane amount, especially since Celbridge is more dependent on buses than Leixlip and Maynooth. Also if you were somewhere en route were no train is nearby (say Lucan, Liffey Valley, Palmerstown) with all the C3/C4 cancellations you could be stuck a long time waiting.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,916 ✭✭✭mikeybhoy


    Would you not use the 120? At least that's an express or is the service poor on that too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,513 ✭✭✭Buffman


    Celbridge has been a disaster for public transport for a good while now, Irish Water have various main roads fully closed for months with diversions taking anything up to 45 minutes for what would normally be 5-10 minutes journey.

    The next phase due to start later this month apparently sees them closing approximately 0.25km of the main road (R405) for which there is no local diversion possible and the official diversion is a 15km reroute out to Barberstown roundabout and back into Maynooth and 15km back again, can't see DB/GAI agreeing to that so be interesting to see what actually happens.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,012 ✭✭✭OscarMIlde


    I live in Leixlip, so that is no use to me. It was more a general comment on how bad the service was on Saturday. I didn't bother going to Liffey Valley as I had planned to as from the timetable it looked like it could be carnage. The 52 is only once an hour also and I've had recent experience of 52 showing as running and tracking the entire route but actually being out of service.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,916 ✭✭✭mikeybhoy


    Sorry I thought by the comments I just assumed you lived in Celbridge. Cancelling an hourly service is very poor when other routes run every 10/15 mins.

    Another observation is far more people seem to be travelling off peak and at weekends compared to pre covid and even further back. I don't think I've ever been left behind by a full bus in Dublin outside of the rush hour unless there was some major event on. Come to think about it now there seems to be some shagging event on every weekend in the city centre now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,584 ✭✭✭StreetLight


    We're properly entering the season now where Dublin Bus drivers are being forced to take their summer holidays, whether they like it or not. Cancellations are going to be a feature for the rest of the summer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68 ✭✭Arhanedus


    It definitely does feel like the people who make up the schedules of the buses haven't taken into account how many people actually go places on the weekends nowadays, especially during the bank holidays or basically any major event, including any sort of heatwave.

    Irish rail's habit of taking the DART line out of service every bank holiday weekend certainly doesn't help the already struggling weekend bus services.

    I'm not familiar with the C spine commuting experience, but this weekend has been carnage on the E spine. Just today afternoon, three southbound E1's in a row were curtailed from Northwood due to late arrivals. Luckily the middle one departed from Parnell and I was able catch it from there. But despite departing from city centre, the bus was already full at St Stephen's Green and we left 10-15 people behind at the next few stops (with the next in-service E1 being another half an hour away). And that's with an E2 in front already taking most of the passengers from the shared section of the route - the bus I was on seemingly stayed 90% full until around Shankill/Woodbrook.

    It's funny yet frustrating to see TFI post on Twitter that there are a lot of events happening in Dublin this weekend, and for people to expect busier services as a result, yet in the same breath take away the darts and push people onto buses that have no hope of keeping up with the demand.

    And this is with the E spine being among the most frequent bus routes in Dublin. I do wonder what would've happened if trains had been down for maintenance last weekend, with there being full trains of people going to the festival at Howth in the northside, and full trains of people going to the beaches in the southside.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,395 ✭✭✭Daith


    Similar with the F routes. Personally it really highlights the weakness of the spine system. If you live along it you were probably ok as one of the F buses would run. Outside of the spine and it could be an hour waiting at some points.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,082 ✭✭✭Hippodrome Song Owl


    120 is a decent option in some cases. But it's a fairly long distance from many parts of Celbridge (30-45 mins walk) and never seems to line up with other buses (L59) that may help you finish the journey. It's also regularly full when it gets here, and it's not part of the 90 min fare.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,926 ✭✭✭AngryLips


    Surely this can't be the excuse anymore? BusConnects rollout has been mothballed for some time now, they must have had a chance to catch up already.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,082 ✭✭✭Hippodrome Song Owl


    It is frightening to think what is facing us if they close that few hundred metres of road from 22nd June to 26th September! The diversion is just not a viable option for C4/W6, it's just too long and already suffering traffic jams as it is. It will add an hour to the journey time for a lot of the day. Not to mention it leaves a big chunk of housing 1.5km+ further away from the nearest stop unless the buses add an even longer loop to double back after diverting, and no service at all for housing out the back roads near the obelisk. And there is certainly no way the L59 will be viable.



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  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 24,360 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    The DARTs being off is annoying, but not at all unique to Irish Rail. It is completely normal across Europe for rail to be closed due bank holiday weekends as typically it is the best opportunity to do major work on the line. If you want a rail system that works well and reliably it is a necessary evil!

    Having said that, other countries usually put large numbers of replacement buses on when this happens.

    Instead Irish Rail just vaguely tells you to take the bus, while zero effort is taken to put on extra replacement buses.

    I feel NTA/CIE fail miserably at major event handling, handling marathons, disruptions and worst of all planned lines closures. It all comes across as "it will be grand", it comes across very unprofessional IMO.

    Like just turning off the RTPI screens when their are major events, lads that is seriously ridiculous. Letting people know about major diversions or the routes diverted bus will take.

    And there seems to be zero ability to put extra buses on very busy routes, like a sunny weekend.

    The minute the system goes outside the normal Monday to Friday schedule, the whole thing falls apart with zero emergency planning. It is very poor by the NTA IMO.

    As an aside, in fairness to Irish Rail, they did a great job at Howth for the festival, loads of extra DART's were put on and they managed the crowds well outside the station. It shows we can do it, we just don't do it often enough!



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