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Israel/Palestine Thread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,098 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    There is no link between a shop in Belfast and the franchise in Israel. So the protest is either pointless, or virtue signalling hypocrisy from do-gooders who want their 15 seconds of social media fame.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,575 ✭✭✭Miniegg


    Bang goes what argument? I told you what the protesters want and this is their strategy.

    They have to have some kind of one.

    You are a hypocrite as your say they are "virtue signalling" if they aren't 100% pure ( imo you are clearly setting some nonsensical bar because you don't want them to protest something you agree with).

    I guarantee you you weren't 100% pure for your causes.

    When you supported gay marriage or abortion rights (as you told us you and your religious parents did) I doubt you demanded that your parents or every supporter first eliminate every indirect connection to people or organisations that disagreed with them.


    Did you tell your religious parents to stop going to mass, or using hospitals that didn't agree to abortion, did you sneer them as virtue signallers for wanting change or voting the way the did?

    Did you pull your kids out of healthcare , cancel communions/confirmations etc in solidarity with your brother (or whoever it was who made you vote form Gay marriage), before voicing opinions?

    I'm sure you accepted them living in society and their imperfect participation in a system while advocating for change in that system.

    Do you not see you are being hypocritical by applying some impossible purity test in this situation that I'm sure you didn't place on yourself or your fellow supporters with regard to your own causes?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,098 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    What is there strategy exactly?

    Demand a boycott of a shop whose Spanish parent company have sold franchise rights to a company in Israel, the store in question is in no way linked to "funding genocide" all the while the tech shops down the street are selling goods made in full or part by Israeli manufacturing facilities.

    These people, smart they are not



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,575 ✭✭✭Miniegg


    I gave it in a previous post that you told me you read, where you clearly didn't. Feel free to go back.

    Now can you look at your own hypocrisy regarding how you treat people wanting change here, and those wanting change who agreed with your causes?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,098 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,575 ✭✭✭Miniegg


    Indeed it isn't, nor is it about the dozens of people here you try to (hypocritically) cast as virtue signallers or hypocrits for holding a very basic moral view on things, and speaking out as everyone should have the right to do.

    The thread is about the unfolding genocide in Gaza, the thing you fail to address in almost every post you make.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,098 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    But they are virtue signalling hypocrites. They are protesting for the sake of it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,098 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    So they target a shop which has no links to Israel because its a soft target, intimidating shoppers, staff etc, resulting in police presence which is a waste of their time and the impact on the Israeli state is the grand sum of a big fat zero.

    So the visibility is for the socoal media likes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,575 ✭✭✭Miniegg


    Well then so is anybody who has ever protested against anything. Let's leave it there.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 373 ✭✭Tacitus Kilgore DCLXVI


    Genuine question, can you give an example of a protest that, in your eyes, didn't involve "virtue signalling hypocrites"?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,391 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    The result of the voting tomorrow in New Jersey's 12th Congressional District election will be interesting. A surgeon, Adam Hamawy, who worked in Gaza is one of the leading candidates.

    https://newjerseyglobe.com/congress/pro-palestine-super-pac-plans-to-spend-2-million-supporting-hamawy/

    https://www.nj.com/politics/2026/05/this-nj-primary-has-it-all-gaza-dark-money-a-pro-palestine-super-pac-and-a-13-person-free-for-all.html

    Background: A plastic surgeon based in Princeton, Hamawy, 53, spent eight years in the New Jersey National Guard’s Medical Corps and deployed to Baghdad’s 31st Combat Support Hospital during the Iraq War, where he operated on hundreds of service members and civilians.

    He later became a lieutenant colonel and was part of the medical team that saved the life of Sen. Tammy Duckworth after her helicopter was struck by a grenade.

    In 2024, he traveled on a volunteer medical mission to Gaza. He has never held elected office.

    The pitch: Hamawy is running as the race’s unambiguous progressive, calling for Medicare for All, abolishing Immigrations and Customs Enforcement, dismantling the Department of Homeland Security and canceling medical and student debt.

    He is also the only candidate who has labeled the war in Gaza a “genocide,” and has said he supports imposing a full arms embargo on Israel.

    With a biography that includes combat vet, surgeon, and small-town doctor, he has pushed back on the progressive label arguing his message has broader reach.

    “My message of healthcare, not bombs, is not just for progressives,” he told NJ.com. “It has resonated with moderates and even Republicans who want our tax dollars spent on the issues we face at home.”

    If elected, he would be New Jersey’s first Muslim congressman.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,802 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Perhaps they feel helpless because the western world is failing to prevent immense human suffering and death. What would you do?

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,098 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    Well if they want to protest, go to the Israeli embassy, if none exists locally, go to the local parliament buildings and protest to the political leaders.

    Protesting outside/inside Zara in Belfast because "purchases there fund genocide" (which is 100% false) when they are doing what they are demanding others dont do in every aspect of their own lives is totally pointless.

    Its a bit like complaining to Michael O'Leary because your aer lingus flight is delayed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 373 ✭✭Tacitus Kilgore DCLXVI




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,877 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Anyone claiming opposition to what Israel is doing as "lefty" or "leftist", or any other nonsensical extraction thereof is an absolute bottom feeding fucking moron and isn't worth the time it takes to interact with them in any way.

    It is an absolutely stupid framing that abandons all attempts at any kind of honest logic and says more about the wanker using those terms than it does about anyone's response to Israeli atrocities.

    There's nothing "left wing" about viewing genocidal warfare as wrong. There's nothing "left wing" about opinions regarding the deliberate murdering of medical staff and aid workers as wrong. There's nothing "left wing" in seeing the targeting and killing of journalists as wrong. There's nothing "left wing" about being appalled at the shooting of people queuing in the baking hot sun for hours for meager scraps of food and water. There's nothing "left wing" about being against the stealing of other people's land. There's nothing "left wing" about being opposed to people like Benjamin Netanyahu, Itamar Ben-Gvir, Bezalel Smotrich and other mass murdering sociopaths, etc.

    All of those reactions are simply basic human reactions to acts of blatant barbarity, regardless of who or what nation is carrying them out, and they don't have a political position.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,099 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    Funny they're protesting in a way that gets them on TV but has exactly no effect on human suffering. What's Zara got to do with anything?

    Now if they wanted to protest against something useful, they could get involved with some of the things that Ireland does, instead of thinking Ireland's role is to preach to the rest of the world.

    Maybe object to this: https://www.yahoo.com/news/politics/articles/data-reveals-irish-alumina-factory-161125562.html

    Or this:

    https://www.business-humanrights.org/en/latest-news/ireland-investigates-reports-alleging-irish-component-was-found-in-shahed-drone-russia-used-in-recent-attack-on-ukraine/

    But there's never much interest in sweeping up in our own back yard is there? It's always performative. Interrupting a football game with a literal slave state, Qatar, to protest about Israel. Not Qatar.

    Oh and I see the Irish cricket team is up for another match against Afghanistan soon too - a country where women are literally not allowed to speak. But who cares about that, right?

    "If a woman cannot stand in a public space and say, without fear of consequences, that men cannot be women, then women have no rights at all." Helen Joyce



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,310 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Qatar and Afghanistan arent fashionable anymore.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 373 ✭✭Tacitus Kilgore DCLXVI


    Now if they wanted to protest against something useful

    So you don't think protesting against what Israel is doing is "something useful"? Don't bother answering - I know your opinion on this already.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 373 ✭✭Tacitus Kilgore DCLXVI


    From what I can see it's mostly a regurgitation of American binary politics they find on social media, I doubt many of them have opened a book on the topic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,725 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    The Russians agree with you pj. I have seen some of their media object to the EU's singular focus on them.

    They have described it as "hysterical russiaphobia" Indeed the Russian ambassador made similar complaints about Ireland and instructed Russian citizens how to deal with it. This tactic seems familiar.

    Of course you don't seek to defend Russia so you are probably not sympathetic to their view, it's seem like you are only keen to play the whatabout game if it involves Israel.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,098 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    Protesting at a shop in Belfast which has no link to Israel beyond the Spanish parent company selling a franchise licence to an Israeli company and demanding people dont shop there (Belfast) because it "funds genocide" all the while the said protestors have in all likelihood bought products which have direct links to Israel and are actually funding "genocide" themselves is simply fcuking pointless.

    But i guess they need something to tell the girls in work about how great they were at the weekend.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 373 ✭✭Tacitus Kilgore DCLXVI


    You are deliberately misrepresenting what I was saying and I would appreciate it if you would not do this again. That poster is stating that protesting against what Israel is doing is not useful, I never said anything about Zara, and this Zara protest is obviously the latest thing that will be latched onto by people intent on excusing human rights abuses by Israel.

    You didn't answer my question btw, name an example of a protest that wasn't carried out by "virtue signalling hypocrites".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,956 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    How do these Israel supporters explain people such as Tucker Carlson, Megyn Kelly, Candace Owens and Marjorie Taylor Greene being hugely critical of the terrorist state and openly accusing it of genocide?

    This type of argument that being anti-Israel equates to being a "lefty" might have washed ten years ago, but not any more.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 373 ✭✭Tacitus Kilgore DCLXVI


    From what I can see, in the most part they don't care because they agree with what Israel is doing. You can see it in these threads, a lot of them view Arabs and Muslims as savages getting what they deserve.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,575 ✭✭✭Miniegg




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,098 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    I haven't misrepresented any thing you said.

    The Zara protest is totally useless. There is absolutely nothing gained from it bar a few people getting their social media likes and something to gossip about in the office. It will have the total sum of absolutely ZERO difference to Israel.

    You replied to a post which did mention the Zara protest.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,956 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    100% - Israel ticks all the boxes for anyone of a right wing authoritarian mindset.

    Having said that, even many right wing people are recoiling from the activities of Israel, so those still actively supporting the regime are very much at the 'right wing extremist' end of the spectrum.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 373 ✭✭Tacitus Kilgore DCLXVI


    You are. I never said anything about the Zara protest. That poster was talking generally about protest against Israel not being useful because they have a clear history being uncritically pro-Israel. As I said, stop mispresenting what I am saying, either you are doing it deliberately or else you cannot understand what I am saying but either way just stop doing it.

    Would you mind providing an example of a protest you deem worthy and did not involve "virtue signalling hypocrites"?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,098 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    Im not.

    The post you commented on was specifically about Zara in relation to Israel. The Zara protest is useless. Buying anything in Zara Belfast does not "fund genocide" as the protesters claimed in the video.

    Protesting is useless if its misguided and directed at people, entities or shops etc which are not responsible for any wrong doing. Zara Belfast are not responsible for anything In Israel/Palestine nor are they "funding genocide"

    Im not answering your question as I was previously warned for going off topic.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 373 ✭✭Tacitus Kilgore DCLXVI


    Again, that poster was not talking about Zara specifically, they have a clear and uncritical bias towards Israel. If you cannot, or just will not, understand what I'm saying stop replying to me - particularly given you are constantly misrepresenting what I am saying.

    And how is talking about a protest you agree with off topic btw? It's almost like you have no opinion other that what you are spouting about "virtue signallers".



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