Cold Case Review of Sophie Tuscan du Plantier murder to proceed (Threadbans in OP)

Where did you see Bailey was about to be arrested, not sure I saw that report?
The gardai have always said that a file would be sent to the DPP, dead or alive I think.

I still don't know what message you are trying to get across. There is no misinformation. It all becomes clear in the plain light of day to where we are right now

We are near 30 years with this case unsolved.

Right now we dont have any DNA at scene with just DNA of unknown male (not Ian B).

Right now we don't have the exact time of Sophie's death. This could potentially open up further suspects and or eliminate others.

Right now we don't have any evidence of murder weapon but up to now it is blocks/stones on site.

Right now we don't know did killer walk or drive. The open gate is also potentially extensive talking point given Sophie's expectation to always have it closed.

These are cornerstones of case and none can be linked to anyone exclusively or I stand corrected.

The second elements as I see are nearly more important than the above.

We had 50 suspects and then were left with 1. What was the process of elimination and why, would that change much now today if done differently with cold case team.

There was hesitation for Sophie to travel and nobody wanted travel at that time, why not leave it for New Year. Was there Unresolved issues with neighbors.

Someone would have to know she was alone in that remote location, it would have to be small net of people to potentially know that. Does that narrow the case file of suspects.? We are always saying Ian B but as of yet no real evidence they met.

Daniel did not wish to travel prior to her death at Christmas or following her death. He also was remarried and with new baby within six months. Others might see that behavior as strange but there was limited information from French side been provided and allowing access to guards in Ireland but french wanted all information that guards had collected here. This process does not seem calloboraative or evenly balanced.

Then we have all other failings from irish side from guards, suspects, witness statements etc etc. Tell me the misinformation you are seeing here?

What you just can’t seem to comprehend is that even if you take the most generous and one-sided interpretation of all of the facts of the case, his scratches, the bleach, the fire, the drunken statements that he did it, the changing of the alibi, the handshake, even if all those things are truth, he still may be innocent.

And that’s with the most one-sided point of view. And each of those things are also disputed, and have other valid points of view.

And nobody actually thinks he did it down there. There’s not one person who said that he actually did it. Even people who hate his guts.

So some of us look at that and consider other possibilities. You don’t, simple as that.

See paragraph 1 of post #14256.

I would add that Ian Bailey was seen either following Sophie or perhaps accompanying her in Schull a day or so before she was murdered. He was seen by more than one witness across the street from Sophie that day and he acknowledged in one of his confessions with sexual innuendo that he had watched her in the Spar shop.

Bailey was a violent malignant narcissist who seriously assaulted his partner on at least three occasions and said in his diary that he wanted to kill her during one of those assaults. In typical narcissist style he blamed it on the whiskey and the fact that there was two of them in it.

He also in his diary fantasized about murdering multiple people, considered making a list of those he would murder and suggested that he would murder them by "stubbing them out like cigarette ends". This would aptly describe how Sophie Du Plantier was later murdered.

On the night of the murder, he and Jules Thomas had been in the pub and he had been drinking both pints and whiskey. After taking a detour on their way home, where Bailey showed an interest in Alf Lyon`s house, they got home and as Jules Thomas prepared for bed he suggested that they both go over to Alf Lyons house. This would have taken them within feet of Sophies door. She wasn`t interested and they both went to bed.

She further said in her signed statement that he got up about an hour later and she didn`t see him again until about 9am and he had a visible bloodied scratch on his forehead that she had never seen before. He acknowledged that he got up, even acknowledged he went out in the dark, but he denied he went over to Sophie`s house.

There are those on this thread who would have you believe that on that night that Bailey showed all this interest in going up that isolated laneway past Sophie`s house, that in fact he didn`t go there at all, but that a different murdering psycho went up there instead.

And if that wasn`t unfortunate enough for Bailey, he was seen in the following days with scratches on his hands, he did the whole routine that we should expect a bloody murderer who was frantically trying to cover his tracks would do…i.e. he bought bleach, borrowed more bleach from the neighbours, had a bonfire where clothing and footwear was burned, keeping in mind that this was a man who was supposed to be useless around the house and in the words of his partner was "a hoarder who never got rid of anything". Then he later went on under the influence of alcohol to confess his guilt to a number of people.

Not a huge amount. But it is that part of the case that requires a malicious intervention by Gardaí. But apparently she signed it again three years later and then retracted elements of it again in the libel case and then she retracted some of those retractions in a 2017 interview on RTE.

He wasn`t seen at all. You might have a bit of wriggle room. Of course he might also have popped down the road to the studio at that point. He`s just an incredibly unfortunate fella the way it all worked out.

Would that be the statement she said was taken under duress after several hours questioning as they had been interviewing her daughter at the same time and she was naturally worried about?

I can't recall the timelines.

Fenella was 17 years old when she and Jules were arrested together within a day of each other? Surely that must have some impact on Jules statements?

He claims that it had a deadline of Monday afternoon which was extended to Tuesday. I recall that it was confirmed published, but can not be sure.

The article was submitted at approximately 16.00 on 23rd December.

I intended to reply to this but got sidetracked.

"I do in fact think that the Gardaí "conspired against" Mr Bailey……More likely in the form of "it could have been him" (true) and "can we dig up some evidence to confirm such a theory."

That isn`t conspiring. That is relatively normal investigative procedure.

"They did not find any such evidence"

That is clearly untrue.

"Though the tyre tread-mark and the open gates do, at least, suggest a vehicle was used"

The tyre mark would need to have been on top of blood spatter for it to be associated with the killer. I would assume that if that were so, we would know all about it. There would have been a number of vehicles in and out of there in the days before the murder including a post van. Sophie was known to have kept the gate closed. Apparently it was because livestock sometimes wandered in. It was mid winter, a time of year when livestock are mostly indoors. I don`t know if there were animals in the fields adjacent to the lane on the day before the murder, but if not, then she would have had no reason to close the gate.

Having said that, I don`t rule out that he drove over there and he certainly had the savvy to know that if he got into the car afterwards that he would contaminate it. Reading between the lines of recent media reports about a distressed female making early morning calls opens up a few other possibilities although I am wary of what I read in the paper where speculation tends to be regurgitated as fact.

It isn't a conspiracy theory to believe it more likely that an article was written on the morning stated when that article had an initial deadline of Monday which was pushed back to Tuesday. Why push the deadline back if it was ready to be submitted earlier as you believe?

As for the light in the studio, do you know which room he was using, front or back? Was it viewable from the direction of somebody passing? Do you know at all or are you just making giant leaps based on no evidence again?

"It’s understood gardaí have obtained DNA samples from about half a
dozen of the dozen people identified as having potentially come into
contact with Toscan du Plantier’s body, clothing and footwear around the
time that she was murdered, or afterwards."

It sounds like the guards aren't saying much. But I read this as meaning, they lifted up to a dozen possible profiles.

And it may be that ALL of them can be reasonably explained. ? They don't say that, though.

But if one of them matches that "alien DNA on the boot" it could be very significant. Is that what the Guards are seeking?

@chooseusername Would seem a bit strange to refer to Bailey as "long dead"? Would people use that phrase for someone who is only deceased two years?