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Leinster Team Talk Thread (Love you Furlong time)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,549 ✭✭✭clsmooth


    None of the Irish outhalves are top quality international 10s at this stage in their development unfortunately. It’s a real problem not just for Leinster but for Irish rugby as a whole. I can’t think of many great teams who didn’t have a top quality 9/10 combo directing affairs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 27,576 ✭✭✭✭phog


    As can been from the 6Ns championships since Sexton retired I'd be far happier with Crowley being in the lead role than the best of the rest, do we even know who the best of the rest is at this stage?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,549 ✭✭✭clsmooth


    We’ve won 4/5 games in each 6N since Sexton retired. The difference from 2024 to now is that France have got their game together.

    Crowley is incumbent and had a good end to the 6N. Hopefully he can nail it down over the summer (fitness permitting). Consistently has been an issue in the past.

    Of the next best, I’m not sure. It’s been like snakes and ladders since the WC for the Irish 10 jersey. SP is in poor form and needs to address a large flaw in his game. Harry Byrne lacks consistency and doesn’t have any particular stand out traits. Carbery’s career went downhill after leaving Leinster in a large part due to injures but looked like he dirtied his bib following multiple missed tackles in the NZ tour in 2022. Jack Murphy looks to have similar defensive frailties to SP and Carbery.

    There seems to be a pro Frawley push following his cameo (a bit like 2024) although I’m not convinced but if he plays well for Connacht at 10 at the start of the season he could very well competing for the starting Irish 10 in the AI. How he would cope with the outside scrutiny/noise is a different matter.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,018 ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    "seems less likely" seems like an understatement.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 895 ✭✭✭darkened_scrum


    We'll establish he's been signed as a 10 when we see him playing as a 10, and only at that stage.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,018 ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    I think it's pretty reasonable infer he's going to get more gametime at 10 next season at Connacht, without having to wait for next season…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 721 ✭✭✭Madeoface


    Crowley coming up to Leinster would benefit both.

    I'm a big fan of Frawley, sad to see him go but hopefully he can thrive in Galway.

    Leo totally committed to another year judging by the IT interview today.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,533 ✭✭✭Lu Tze


    While I didn't agree with Sam coming in and starting most of the games for last years six nations, now I'd hope he can get back into contention if he gets over the slump in form and can work on some of fundamental deficits to his game over the summer

    He is a very different player to Crowley, you could have two game plans /styles based around the two of them. It's happened a few times where plan A isn't working well during a game, and the usual solution is try plan A again, but even more so! It think you could have a genuine plan B, giving their differing styles, especially for the world cup for a change of tack during a knock out game if things aren't going quite as well as hoped.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 263 ✭✭JeanRasczak


    During his career, Cullen, Lancaster, Goodman, Farrell, Catt, Contepomi, Bleyendaal have all coached him, most of them as attack coachs with a specific focus on the attack and 10 role.

    None of them have played Frawley for significant minutes in a 10 role, the only reason Farrell done it against the Maori was because Harry Byrne got injured and he didn't want to bother flying someone out last minute and because he didn't really care about the results and was more focused on the NZ games.

    Are fans trying to say they know more than any of these coachs? the charge in the media is been led by Jackman, is he a better coach than the above? I think the molecast described him well as the new version of George Hook

    IMO this is what happened, I heard that Frawley was on the way to Ulster, but he asked the question would they play him in other positions. Ulster said yes and Connacht said no, he went to Connacht

    I think personally in 12 months time Frawley will be the Aki replacement and Ioane will continue to play at 10. Lancaster who was the person who originally moved him from 10 to 12 will do the same and end up with a quality 12 to replace his outgoing star. Also Frawley best performances for years was at 12 in the Lancaster system.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 263 ✭✭JeanRasczak


    Predergast was always going to get picked in this game because Byrne was playing last week…..

    At 10 Leinster are in a better position than most clubs in Europe. Both Byrne and Predergast are quality players, one hitting his peak and the other getting better by the day. Then as a utility we have ended up with Joey who IMO is a better option to Frawley at 15 and 10. Not a better centre



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,018 ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    To be fair, both Shane Horgan and Ian Madigan (who I rate very highly as a pundit) too have both come out suggesting Frawley should have seen more gametime at 10 too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41 Eric the half bee


    Perhaps the Frawley sqabble should be parked for 11 months and returned to only after he has played (if fit) a full season with Connacht, including, hopefully, a number of games as starting out half.

    Logic suggests that only then can we see who on this thread really knows what they're talking about!

    Post edited by Eric the half bee on


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,951 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    I don't think so. Coaches are careful with their words - I'm sure he promised Frawley a shot at 10. But he also was involved in moving him away from there before and I dont doubt he'd do it again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 263 ✭✭JeanRasczak


    The problem spot for Connacht is 12 next season, Aki will have total focus on the World Cup and I do hate to say I knew it but Ioane is a quality 10 but just can't kick which is not a problem now with Frawley and the new lad at 15 in the team



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,878 ✭✭✭realhorrorshow


    12 at Connacht is arguably one of the deepest positions at any of the provinces outside of Leinster, even excluding Frawley. It's certainly not a problem.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,460 ✭✭✭FtD v2


    Yeah, he's going nowhere, unless they collapse to the Lions this weekend.

    I did think the soundings around the defeat are positive though at least, and the view that all aspects of the preparation etc are under review, including:

    That assessment will encompass training methods, match preparation and tactics, including the blitz defence introduced by Jacques Nienaber

    It's impossible for me to imagine you do a data-based review of the new defensive system and conclude it's working well for us, particularly in the games where this matters most.

    I've said it multiple times before - but I completely reject the notion we ever had such problems defensively that warranted a complete rebuild and departure from the way we did things.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,018 ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    I'm sure Lancaster was careful with his words.

    I'm also sure he didn't "bullsh*t" him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71 ✭✭shinana abu


    Fully agree ...we are far more porous now and very poor attacking shape and potency



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 322 ✭✭cantwbr1


    When JN was announced as a coach at Leinster, my expectations were that they would take his defensive system and build it onto Lancasters overall system giving a team that would close out the finals.

    What appears to have happened, whether by accident or design, is that the Lancaster system was thrown out/not worked on and Leinster now have the worst of both worlds, a non-functioning attack and a defence that isn’t delivering.

    If the coaching team isn’t changing they need to figure out a cohesive plan for both attack and defence, none of the “I’m only the attack/defence coach “ which suggests a coaching team that is not aligned on approach



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 369 ✭✭letsbefair


    Joey will have learned a lot at Bordeaux!! Could be handy



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,009 ✭✭✭Ben Bailey




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,460 ✭✭✭FtD v2


    Meh, maybe. He has never seemed like a particularly strong character or a leader (and have heard similar from people who knew him from school days etc), so it's hard to see him coming back in as a kind of vocal leader who is going to drive change or standards in Leinster, but I'd love to be wrong on that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 27,576 ✭✭✭✭phog


    He's hardly a new signing, at the time of his signing (2024) the IRFU must have thought they were reasonably well stocked at outhalf. Would they hold that view now?



  • Subscribers, Paid Member Posts: 45,410 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    agreed

    connacht had carty there as the incumbent anyway, naughtons development has been a bonus.

    next season IQ 10s:

    connacht: Frawley, Naughton, O Shaughnessy

    Ulster: Murphy, Flannery, Benson

    Munster: Crowley, Hanrahan, Butler, Wood, Hicks

    Leinster: Prendergast, Byrne, Carbery, (Tector), Gabriel

    with Ioane being the only NIQ among possibly 11 senior outhalves.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,806 ✭✭✭BoardsMember




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,087 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


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    Post edited by Former Former Former on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 585 ✭✭✭pjdarcy


    Talent and skill have never been Joey's problem. Staying injury free is the worry



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,718 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatFromHue


    I wouldn't be surprised to see Carbery play as much at full back as he does at 10 when he comes back.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,855 ✭✭✭theVersatile


    The42.ie reporting that Lowes departure is all but confirmed



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,376 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    Lowe is gone at the end of the season according to the 42. Incredibly disappointed by this tbh. Still one of Leinster's and Ireland most important players. Great way to weaken yourself a year out from the World Cup too.



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