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Meanwhile on the Roads...

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,392 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    Kudos for bothering to practice a bit of patience and courtesy. I know how infuriating and depressing in equal measures it can be when that kind of brainless behaviour is the response you get for basic human decency. No doubt the other driver was extremely busy and had to be somewhere very important and critically time sensitive.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 27,054 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    Not at all, sounds like you behaved correctly. Even if you hadn't, I always wonder do those behind not wonder why you hadn't made the overtake yet, maybe there is a reason.

    Sadly, for those who overtook (and everyone they meet on the roads going forward), because they got lucky and didn't meet oncoming traffic, will have their behaviour reinforced and blame you. All you can do is take a deep breath and take small comfort in being the more sensible driver.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,304 ✭✭✭✭zell12


    mapping the data https://www.donegaldaily.com/lead-stories/new-maps-reveal-heavy-toll-of-road-deaths-in-donegal-635403

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    RTC injuries (non-serious, serious, fatal) in Donegal 2016-2024. Map: RSA/Garda Collision Data



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,506 ✭✭✭fat bloke


    Anyone else think the sun is raising driver anger and impatience?

    I've really noticed it in the car. Aggressive racing down merging slip roads, tailgating, undertaking. More so than usual. And on my bike today an aul wan today beeping, shouting and then giving me the finger out the window!!



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 56,277 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    one thing i believe but can't be sure of is that google maps has ruined a lot of back roads.

    i was out for a spin around NCD yesterday and because it was rush hour, i deliberately stuck to back roads for most of it - and i was seeing a lot more traffic on some than i think i'd have seen in the past. my suspicion is that it's due to people letting google maps (or other apps) pick their routes for them and it picking what motorists might call rat runs.

    for example, on this stretch (i did it the opposite direction, but there's no strava segment there) i had two aggressive passes; one a van belonging to a construction company; and this is usually a very quiet road:

    https://www.strava.com/segments/3851413

    and two more on this section , one by a chap driving an old souped up farty corsa - and this is an even quieter road:

    https://www.strava.com/segments/14610255

    i would be surprised to learn if more than one or two was local, so you'd wonder why they chose those roads to commute home.

    in contrast though, the road that leads from ballyboughal over to white's agri - though i took the left for the nag's head about halfway along - was as quiet as the grave. i think i met more joggers than motorists on that stretch.

    https://www.strava.com/segments/18229548



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 56,277 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    i have had conversations with several people recently, who live along narrow rural roads who simply would not go walking along the roads they live on anymore; because of the traffic now using those roads.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,506 ✭✭✭fat bloke


    Oh sure, walking rural roads now has been a death-wish for a long time. It's appalling. Rat-runners avoiding traffic elsewhere are the worst as they're in a fierce hurry, trying to make up time so they're properly rallying it. In towns around the country, you see people taking their walks now on ring roads and bypasses. A horrible walk by any measure with all the traffic noise and emissions, but at least you have a hard shoulder or perhaps even a footpath.

    We go down to Clare a bit to the in-laws and the regular rural roads there can be, when you really think about it, terrifying. Bi-directional narrow roads with cars barrelling towards each other at 100kph+, left hand mirrors clipping the briars. I was coming back from Spanish Point a few weeks ago, driving towards Ennis, coming along a sort of long sweeping right hand bend over a brow of a hill. This wan, just a woman driving, came against me in some little Hyundai or something and elicited a "Jesus Christ" from me. She was like max velocity, old suspension fully compressed on the right hand side. Like a ballistic missile on the road. If she'd strayed a bit or had to tip the brakes at all, it's fcukin dental records would be required to identify any one of us.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,392 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    Oh it 100% is Google maps. I can see it every time I commute by Bus Eireann from Wicklow to Dublin. Newtown MountKennedy is used as a rat run when thing are particularly choked up. Kilpeddar to Glen of the Downs - a road that might see a couple of cars every 5 minutes in normal traffic - suddenly becomes a bottle neck rejoining the N11. I've seen it myself in the car the odd Friday I need to drive in - Google Maps will direct me to turn off the N11 to take a shorter route through some back road. It also happens to be a good filter for the most ignorant of drivers who must get ahead ASAP.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,392 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    Were you wearing a hi vis, helmet and body armour on your walk though? If not, shur what more could she have done??



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 27,054 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    Lovely morning this morning, left late for work, seen more bikes on the road than cars for the first time ever (rural). Looks like school kids for the most part, two contingents, probably national school age.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,573 ✭✭✭McGrath5


    On the rat runners, its ironic. They use the old rural roads to avoid the congested motorways that were built to remove traffic from the local/rural roads. The N11 around North Wicklow is a prime example.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,584 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu


    WCC are proposing to close the minor junctions at Kilpedder to prevent this.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,815 ✭✭✭Wildly Boaring


    It isn't just google maps. It's the levels of rudh hour traffic.

    For example the N2, Kilmoon cross is so bad in the morning that nearly every second car is turned off at Rathfeidh Cross and using all the minor roads to get south to Dublin.

    The m50 being at capacity means that people are creating their own orbital. So say drogheda around to kilcock or lucan etc.

    Dublin centric working,high house prices. Car dependency and under investment in piblic transport has us messed up.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 56,277 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    the main issue regarding congestion on the N2 there was the traffic lights being put in beside curragha, i think? but yes, the minor road from curragha towards Ashbourne is utterly choked with traffic too as a result.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,392 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    How will that impact actual locals, who would use those junctions on a daily basis in the manner they were designed for I wonder?

    I also wonder if we had an actual, fit for purpose and properly resourced roads policing dept, who actually policed the roads, would that not be a better solution. Driver behaviour needs to change, not roads layout. I've seen maybe 2 garda checks at rat running junctions since Covid on that route. Bearing in mind that very often the rat running is combined with using the hard shoulder as an extra long exit lane.

    More b*lls*it solutions to the problem of traffic congestion and driver behaviour.

    As for the N11 - this is the same part of the country, commuter belt that successive Govt for some reason refuse to upgrade the existing rail line to take pressure off the roads.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,584 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu


    it's out for consultation at the moment, so locals can have their say. The whole area is perfectly accessible via junction 11 so I don't think anyone is being greatly put out, but it might affect the pub and the small filling station in Kilpedder.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,752 ✭✭✭✭billyhead


    That's been the case for years and years. Rural back roads have always been a deathtrap.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Macy0161


    A bus gate, which will be ignored, just like the no left turns for the Quill Road (which is still a heavily used/ abused rat run)

    However, it's not just those short rat runs - they come up to Roundwood from Ashford; Newtown to Ballinastoe Cross; and even the Red Lane to then drop down back to Kilmac.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,383 ✭✭✭secman


    Over the last few months I have noticed that the worse for speeding and close passes have been grocery delivery vans , Tesco and Dunnes. Had mentioned it to a few club members . Yesterday on the road from Woodenbridge to Avoca, on a stretch with a continuous white line we were overtaken at speed by a Tesco van, who barely managed to avoid an oncoming car by abruptly diving back in in front of our group and barely missing me at the front. The incident has been reported to Arklow Garda station with an approximate time frame.



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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 46,218 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    No licence, tax, insurance or nct...

    “She needs to do her test, she needs her licence,” said the Judge, who used his discretion not to hand out a driving ban. “She does a very important job, but I want her to go to work lawfully.”

    https://www.independent.ie/county/cork/cork-woman-caught-driving-on-provisional-licence-that-had-expired-over-20-years-ago/a/153504750.html

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,304 ✭✭✭✭zell12


    In fairness, it is most delivery firms under time pressure. At least it was not a DPD driver barrelling along with a phone up to his right ear with right hand, and a blue vaper device in left hand on steering wheel, with its smoke coming out of window



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,455 ✭✭✭Dr_Colossus


    What the actual F. "On the charge of no insurance, Andrea Kenny was given a €250 fine with one month to pay, while for driving without a licence she was given €150, with two months to pay."

    No license for 20 years and therefore no insurance but the fine is a pathetic €250. There's no one in the country that can get insurance for €250 so the conclusion is drive without insurance since you're unlikely to be caught and if you are there's positive repercussions. The fine should have been €500 base insurance x 20 years.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 56,277 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    actually, that's an interesting point. maybe the fine should go to the MIBI who would have to stump up for any collision she would have caused.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 56,277 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    managed to score some free tickets for bloom so we went in yesterday. one thing that struck me was the sheer number of stewards - and gardai - managing the traffic and the car parks. made me wonder if the 10 quid they charged for car parking was actually recouping the cost of providing it.

    also got chatting to two members of dublin cycling campaign who were there to manage and look after the bike parking. i know one of them, but did not ask whether they were being paid or not - i presume not. just seems a little unfair given everyone who was stewarding the car park was certainly being paid.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,455 ✭✭✭Dr_Colossus


    Jees presumed parking would have been free for Bloom since it's just a field and given tickets are a very expensive €40

    Was cycling home through the park on Thurs evening (1st day of Bloom) with heavy traffic at jogging speed so was steadily overtaking it from the cycle lane. Noticed at least 15+ drivers on their phone so when I seen two Gardaí up further standing at the road side I notified them of my finding. They made no response showing a real lack of interest so I continued on, obviously weren't paid for road policing.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 56,277 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    At a guess, there were 100+ stewards and gardai managing traffic and parking so managing cars for the event would have probably cost the organisers six figures.

    I'd say the general entry price was subsidising the parking rather than the converse.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 510 ✭✭✭Scrabbel


    One thing I became aware of only recently is that when I'm on my bike the road traffic regulations include me as a "driver" of a "vehicle". And that means that just like any car, I'm legally obliged to stay as left as possible when somebody wants to overtake me legally (so dotted line, under speed limit etc). Strictly speaking that means that when cycling as the outer of 2 abreast I have to go single file when a motorbike car or other bike wants to overake legally. I generally do this anyway as a common courtesy but wasn't aware that it was mandatory until the overtake has happened. I certainly didn't realise I was subject to everything applicable to the "driver" of a "vehicle".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,392 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    Where did you get that questionable interpretation confirmed, can I ask? Because I don't believe that it's correct. Another poster coincidentally raised the issue on here in the last week or so - suggest checking the responses to that and reconsidering.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,392 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    I'd suggest a large part of their apathy is the predicable approach of the judiciary to any successful prosecutions, an attidtude to roads safety neatly reflected by our own Government TDs…

    Fianna Fáil TD Malcolm Byrne arrested on suspicion of drink driving in Dublin city centre – The Irish Times

    I'm not surprised by their attitude given that this is the type of character directing them.



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