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Navan Rail Line

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 708 ✭✭✭tallaghtfornia


    has any one a link to an interactive map for the proposed line ? Can’t find it anywhere just an overlay on Google maps thanks



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 117 ✭✭thosewhoknow


    Won’t the DART spur need to be built anyways due to the TEN-T regulations or is there an option to opt-out?



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 5,822 Mod ✭✭✭✭spacetweek


    Discussed before. Serving the airport by intercity rail includes where you serve it by underground rail which leads to intercity rail.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 776 ✭✭✭Agent_47


    first consultation opens tomorrow, will be there to ask lots of questions.
    Being an M3 parkway user, I’m not jumping with joy on the route and location of stations. M3 route is already over capacity with the carriages full by Hansfield.

    Location of the stations suggests they want high rail service usage at the expense of local congestion. If you can’t walk to the station you certainly won’t be able to drive to it, especially in Dunshaughlin and Navan. Looking at the map, residents in Johnstown would be better going to Kilmessan to catch the train



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 24,360 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    The stations in both Navan and Dunshaughlin will be within asking and easy cycling distance! In fact that is why they choose the Dunshaughlin location East of the M3 to make sure it is within walking and cycling distance of the town.

    As for capacity of the route, that will be greatly increased both by higher frequency of trains.



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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 5,822 Mod ✭✭✭✭spacetweek


    There doesn't seem to be an interactive map. Just the static image.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 776 ✭✭✭Agent_47


    Both towns are totally unsafe for cyclists, a running joke here in Navan. We are a 20 min walk from town, the station is 10 min further.
    For those in Johnstown , Google maps suggests the walking time between Supervalu in Johnstown to Navan Central to be 41 mins, and involves walking through waste land, 50 mins via footpaths. The newer housing estates are also 50 mins walk away.
    capacity is an issue that I will look into, 4,400 passengers an hour could be as little as 510 passengers per service, 4 darts outward and 4 inwards. Then allocate a portion to each station along the route……

    Neighbours here can walk to an NX stop in 12 mins, instead they drive to the park n ride to make sure they get a seat.

    Same thing happens currently at M3 parkway, and will happen at Windtown.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,859 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    There is no town in Ireland "totally unsafe" for cyclists. Cycling on a road with no cycle lanes is something done safely across the country every day.

    Of course the whole post is the usual it won't suit everyone perfectly so don't build it excuse.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,737 ✭✭✭Consonata


    The new station will provide a great excuse to make the town much more cycle friendly then won't it? Plus new municipal bus services to funnel people towards the station



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 265 ✭✭ArcadiaJunction


    Yawn… so lets not build it because it is not perfectly wrapped around your own personal requirements and expectations.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,517 ✭✭✭KrisW1001


    Whenever a “Passengers per hour” figure is given it is always per direction unless stated otherwise. 4400 going north while another 4400 go south. In this case, the 4400 figure implies there will be a ten-carriage DART train every 15 minutes. Each ten-carriage train will holds 1100 people.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,642 ✭✭✭Citizen  Six


    The main issue there is the capacity of the trains. Running a 3 or 4 piece ICR on some of those morning services just doesn't work. Irish Rail will tell you there isn't enough sets available to run anything else.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 761 ✭✭✭PlatformNine


    https://www.nationaltransport.ie/news/nta-launches-public-consultation-to-enhance-navan-dublin-bus-corridor/

    Not strictly about the Navan line, but the NTA are holding a consultation and looking to increase the capacity of the NX later this year. The goal is to increase the peak freq from every 20 min to every 15 min.

    Also an interesting note from this, is that last year the NX carried over 80K passengers every 4 weeks. That translates to around 2900 people every day and over 1m passengers a year.

    Being Navan's main bus, it will be interesting to see how ridership grows as the railway progresses.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 117 ✭✭thosewhoknow


    A week in and the line has met its first opposition. Call me cynical but didn't he only start this "nature reserve" in 2014, after it was known the railway would be through his land? Sounds like this was the plan from the start…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 265 ✭✭ArcadiaJunction


    Is this the landed gentry toff who got his estate for 'Papa' while the rest of us have to commute?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,859 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Hard to fell sorry for a man who has 650 hectares and doesn't even need to farm it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,391 ✭✭✭Exiled Rebel


    Yes. The 21st Earl of Dunsany.

    Edit: 21st Baron of Dunsany



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,299 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    The State needs to get on to the Brits to abolish all of this crap associated with our nation.

    Is this land that was seized by a foreign power?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,005 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    we don't need to do anything as far as the brits are concerned, we just pass legislation refusing to recognise foreign titles unless certain criteria is met which means we still recognise presidents/prime ministers ETC.

    the part of his land involving the railway can be CPOED via normal legislation as well.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,859 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    What would we need to pass. The lad can call himself baron but it means fuk all.

    The rest of us don't have to call him that.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 776 ✭✭✭Agent_47


    That’s correct, and verified by the Irish Rail Engineer I spoke with today. It will run the newer dart trains and carriages.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 776 ✭✭✭Agent_47


    That seems to be the intention, according to the Irish Rail Engineer I spoke with



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 776 ✭✭✭Agent_47


    Rubbish comment, I’m all for the rail link and proper joined up thinking infrastructure. Read below when I post the content from the session at the consultation I attended today.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 776 ✭✭✭Agent_47


    I attended the Irish Rail Navan Railway first consultation this afternoon in Navan.

    The main points:

    • satellite image is five years or more old, doesn’t show the new residential housing that has gone up east of Navan.
      at least 3/4 of Navan 40k population is east of the new train station. Most of them are commuters.
    • There will be two level crossings, one on the Commons road and one on the Kells road. No level crossings between Navan Central and M3 Parkway.
    • Terminus will be Spencer dock during peak hours and Connolly station off peak.
    • Budget is only in place up to railway order is made.
    • Traffic can enter Dunshaughlin via a spur road off the R125, but that station will charge for car parking, as will both Navan stations. Car park will be larger at Dunshaughlin to cater for Rathoath residents who are likely to use M3 Parkway.
    • No footpaths link east Navan estates to the train station, it’s 41 minutes walk through wasteland to get to the station, according to Google.
    • Focus is on carrying capacity rather than cater for cars travelling to the station.
    • All four stations will be constructed simultaneously and the line will be done as one complete project as opposed to phases, which is interesting.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 76,155 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Footpaths to tie in wider areas of Navan would be for the council and NTA to sort out.

    Doing it as anything other than a single phase project would have been astoundingly unlikely.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 776 ✭✭✭Agent_47


    that’s correct, just stating the current issue that Irish Rail need to press further with the council after work is completed from their perspective. They were keen to hear all issues as they want the railway completed as much as we do.

    They also want the capacity to be utilised, which will easily be the case with a growing town.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,592 ✭✭✭✭cgcsb


    This is already the law. Ireland doesnt have any official titles. He can call himself as he wishes.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 5,822 Mod ✭✭✭✭spacetweek


    The alignment seems to be in a shallow cutting through his land so severance mightn't be that much of an issue. I wonder if the alignment has sufficient slack at this point that they could move it a few dozen metres to the west to avoid the forested part.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 339 ✭✭OisinCooke


    Worth noting that the two level crossings are the two existing ones on the Kingscourt branch - one currently operational as part of the Tara Mines route, and one which is currently dismantled, just after the old Kingscourt spur branches off.

    Does this mean however that the Carriage Road and Trim Road will be grade separated…? They bisect the line either side of Navan Central station (see below). Would be great to see them grade separated but looks slightly unlikely… was this just a mistaken omission in the talk I wonder?

    IMG_0606.jpeg


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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 5,822 Mod ✭✭✭✭spacetweek


    Best I can offer is the map on my personal site. I've altered it to fit the revised layout.



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