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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,958 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    i see in that picture the new 30mm is on the Mowag. They were due to go on the Kiwi boats. If they are in trouble as have been suggested will they still get a primary system?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,413 ✭✭✭sparky42


    Bold of you to assume the Navy would get anything, even if the ships are in perfect condition, I mean how long has the suggestion of upgrades to the secondaries been going on?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,320 ✭✭✭thomil


    Would that system be suitable for naval use in the first place? Saltwater tends to do rather unpleasant things to machinery…

    Life is far too serious to be taken seriously!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,413 ✭✭✭sparky42


    McEntee was talking up Ireland using SAFE funding if a second round is opened, but did she get approval of DPER and its SG?

    https://www.businesspost.ie/politics/ireland-aiming-to-join-next-phase-of-eu-defence-program



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,132 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    She doesn't need approval from DPER to express an aspiration.

    In any case, if the cabinet does ultimately decide to apply for SAFE, its outside of the voted budget and it becomes a treasury matter to maximise the value of the borrowing.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,413 ✭✭✭sparky42


    Another MoU to be signed with Italy on G2G procurement:

    https://www.gov.ie/en/department-of-defence/press-releases/minister-mcentee-has-constructive-discussion-with-italian-defence-minister/



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,957 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    So Liveline have asked if I want to go on the radio tomorrow.

    Not about the Cav Corps team winning the Sullivan Cup, oh no. It's about a silly incident which occurred to me at Dublin airport.

    Note the difference in view numbers.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,958 ✭✭✭roadmaster




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,413 ✭✭✭sparky42


    Or just more empty talk just to look busy while doing nothing?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,413 ✭✭✭sparky42


    They are a bit more impressive than the Aldi version that are just little stone cubes, but yeah that must have been an “interesting” chat… Are you doing a video on the Sullivan Cup?



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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,957 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,523 ✭✭✭Negative_G


    Hopefully not another repeat of the MOU that was signed with the British a couple of years ago that amounted to SFA.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,413 ✭✭✭sparky42


    Well, it would be very on brand to buy the 346 and declare LoA3 completed, nothing more to do…

    But lets be honest, they aren't likely to even bother with that level of half arseness.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,403 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Why would any country with a projected annual surplus this year alone roughly 10 times the amount being sought sign up to a loan for military equipment from anyone? The money is there. This is why Pashcal Donohue was against it because it would tie the state in to conditionality with extra financial costs it does not need to enter.

    This is a deeply unserious country.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,413 ✭✭✭sparky42


    Then the two finance departments should have adequately funded the capital program instead of the utterly ineffective amount that we have over the next few years. I mean if it makes you feel better, the chances are that it will never go beyond random comments thrown out before and during the Presidency but again on brand for how the Government is doing everything it can to ignore the uncomfortable recommendations of the Commission.

    In other news, an article on what we will have for the Presidency, stopgap efforts and the bare minimum to pretend that we actually have any intentions on defence and security. Wonder whose going to actually be doing the defence work?

    https://www.irishtimes.com/crime-law/2026/05/26/shotguns-helicopters-and-airburst-ammunition-to-guard-against-rogue-drones-during-eu-presidency/
    https://archive.ph/ObhGK



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,958 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    Has any Nation that bought the M346 actually used it in the Air Policing role?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,413 ✭✭✭sparky42


    Quick look and there’s only a few of the “fighter” variant actually in service, so who knows. Again a perfect non solution cause it has a jet engine and that makes all the difference (as seen by all the wrong suggestions that the Fougras could actually do interceptions), so yeah I could see an order…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,413 ✭✭✭sparky42


    Hold on, the IT has another article from Connor up, suggesting that the Italian G2G is for new 76mm mounts for the P60s, upgrading to SuperRabids? Along with the secondaries getting airburst munitions?

    https://www.irishtimes.com/crime-law/2026/05/26/drone-wars-irish-defence-forces-watching-the-skies-as-eu-presidency-set-to-begin/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48 Bullpup




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,320 ✭✭✭thomil


    They’re slotting into an existing air defense system though, and are slated to take over the role previously filled by the SAAB 105, a subsonic ground attack/advanced trainer aircraft, a role that had been left vacant since the decommissioning of the 105 back in 2020. The M346 are even slated to be based at Hörsching airbase, the home base of the 105s.

    It’s worth noting that Austria uses all of the aircraft in their fighter training pipeline for QRA/Intercept purposes. The PC-7 and formerly the 105s were used to intercept slower-moving or lower priority targets, think GA pilots who don’t care about radio communications, think that NOTAMs are for losers and the like. The Eurofighter are kept for fast-moving or otherwise high-priority targets.

    Life is far too serious to be taken seriously!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,248 ✭✭✭Markcheese


    The new austrian m346 deal signed last December is coming in at 80 million a plane , ( including a full sustainment package )! So not cheap, ive no idea what is included in that package, so that could still be great value - and the Austrians aren't exactly known for just chucking cash around for the sake of it ..

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 42,039 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    A strange one this. If we had a dedicated fishery protection force this wouldn't be a big deal, but obviously we don't.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/2026/05/27/names-of-defence-forces-officers-involved-in-sensitive-operations-published-online/

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,132 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Austria's needs and Ireland's needs are very different.

    The M346 wouldn't add anything significant to Ireland's capability, unless we intend to add ground attack options to augment the land component.

    But as fighter-interceptors, forget it.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,957 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    Even if there were a dedicated fisheries force, what on earth would the purpose of such a list be? Why does that regulation even exist?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,413 ✭✭✭sparky42


    So it appears we have arrested someone working for a "foreign intelligence service", whose been working in a Government Department. The accused has been charged under the Official Secrets Act and the Fraud Offences Act. The Court has placed restrictions on reporting which nation is involved, but he's a Ukrainian that moved to Ireland in the 00's, and was flying home to the Donbas through Turkey…

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/courtandcrime/arid-41854197.html

    https://www.rte.ie/news/courts/2026/0530/1576047-yevgen-mckeeffe-court/

    https://archive.ph/UTTjQ



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,958 ✭✭✭roadmaster




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,132 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Possible tip of the iceberg. In another headline I saw somewhere over the weekend, Garda Security & Intelligence Service are expressing concern over some 14,000 'right to remain' granted to certain Russian citizens in the past few years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,413 ✭✭✭sparky42


    since we still don’t have a full vetting service it’s highly likely alright. Think the article you’re referring to started from Barry Andrew’s and has been picked up by the British press as well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,523 ✭✭✭Negative_G


    Without running the risk of turning the direction of this thread, I would wager that the general public should be far more concerned with the uncontrolled immigration of individuals from certain countries who's social, cultural and religious beliefs are at complete odds with a Western liberal nation such as Ireland.

    Easier to sell white Russians as bogeymen though in today's world.

    The Chief Super below seems to think that there is no unvetted migrants so previously anyone granted a right to remain is subject to the same scrutiny.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2024/1230/1488432-migrant-gnib/



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,958 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    I wonder who writes the scripts for the Minister. They could get a job with Netflix writing comedy.

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-41856501.html



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