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Foynes Line

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,831 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    The bus service to Moyross is very good. Ya you will get a few delays at peak time but it's a quality service. There's a bus every 15mins and another one every hour that will pass that station.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 660 ✭✭✭rayman10


    "What's required of a station house today"

    Most stations of this usage get a platform, a car park, a small bus shelter and a ticket machine.

    There's no toilets, interior areas or anything other than basic facilities.

    Look at Ardrahan as your template.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 13,630 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    The 'temporary' station at Adare.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,726 ✭✭✭goingnowhere


    Technical room, temporary station will be on the same side as the former station building



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 76,149 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    And presumably not actually have a building anyway



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 13,630 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,726 ✭✭✭goingnowhere


    Looks like a combined level crossing, interlocking and GSM-R equipment room

    The temporary station has no buildings, just a scaffold framework and a platform surface and some extras



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 660 ✭✭✭rayman10


    Instead of blowing €2 million they surely could have secured a short term lease off the landowners.

    If I got offered say €50000 to allow a temporary scaffold nearby i would bite your hand off

    Bad enough building a line for no customers but now this nonsense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 373 ✭✭rounders


    Is a park and ride at Patrickwell of any value?

    Guess it still doesn't solve the issue at Colbert in terms of the train having to reverse in but could it help demand on a possible future train service?

    Hoover up traffic from Kerry and Cork commuters

    And similar at Annacotty Business Park to get Dublin approach and Cratloe for western?

    Not from Limerick as you can probably tell but curious if these are feasible. It's always going to be a chicken and egg in terms of infrastructure vs demand. We're normally chasing with the infrastructure. Could approach this with Instruction first and then zone the lands around the stations for high density housing



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 13,630 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    No, because the majority of commuters aren't heading to the city centre. They're going to places like Raheen, Plassey/Annacotty or Shannon.

    If you're traveling to Raheen you're not going to change to a train at Patrickswell.

    And it's useless for the others as there's no station within walking distance.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,785 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    The main employment hubs in Limerick during the week are at Raheen and Castletroy so there could be an argument to be made to build a rail network linking Raheen/Castletroy and maybe an argument to extend such a line to Patrickswell for a P&R to catch N20/N21 commuter traffic to these areas.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 660 ✭✭✭rayman10


    In the big scheme of things reinstating the Foynes direct curve across CIE owned land is a relatively minor cost in the event of any commuter rail being reopened.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 76,149 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    The CIÉ owned building in the way is now on the derelict site register, so demolishing it would save money…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 660 ✭✭✭rayman10


    There could be plenty of parking on that land too. More than replacing what would be lost for a curve reinstatement.

    In terms of a whole new commuter rail system, reinstatement would be small change.

    Reversals wouldn't be a part of any proposal.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 13,630 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    Even demolished it's a derelict site and would still be on the register?

    The only part of the site that's not going to have housing build on it in the near future is the actual rail alignment.

    However, as I've laid out above, commuter rail on the existing lines in Limerick isn't a realistic option.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 660 ✭✭✭rayman10


    Well, it's yes and no to your last paragraph. High density in and around Colbert, along with high density adjacent to the line at Patrickswell, Adare, Longpavement, Sixmilebridge, Pallasgreen etc. etc. would create the demand for the existing lines to be a realistic option.

    What is going for this is that the lines are all there and in use.

    Reinstating the Foynes curve being the only bit of new track needed.

    Stuff like spurs to Shannon are way off.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 13,630 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    There most definitely isn't high density around Patrickswell, Adare or Pallasgreen. Populations of 850, 1100 and 250 respectively are very low density and do not justify rail services.

    IMO growing those to sizes that would justify rail is as far away as the Shannon rail spur.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,726 ✭✭✭goingnowhere


    Even if you rebuild the curve its very tight and has limited access to platforms at Limerick station, just one really



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 660 ✭✭✭rayman10


    I'm not saying there is high density. But this high density housing would need to be built to justify a rail line.

    Having said that you could start building high density and roll out a service in tandem

    Most of the building blocks for a railway are ready there.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 15,097 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    There is no real argument for building high density along a single track freight railway when there are plenty of brownfield sites within walking distance of the city centre that remain undeveloped.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 846 ✭✭✭Board Walker


    You dont need to re-wire a building to make it for public use. you just need to do a few upgrades like fire system and emergency lighting.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 993 ✭✭✭MiketheMechanic


    https://www.limerickleader.ie/news/business/opening-of-curve-for-direct-trains-between-limerick-and-adare-8748342?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook&fbclid=IwdGRjcASg-8dleHRuA2FlbQIxMQBzcnRjBmFwcF9pZAwzNTA2ODU1MzE3MjgAAR6POpkd8Mtl5GpQ59wjlBBCmPss1Cs_9iSisiClvjh3x5Hsc86lc3VTxuZzAw_aem_9CGqjKMDIw7O4owvogkeng



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,706 ✭✭✭Economics101


    The referred piece in the Limerick Leader says that the proposed of a direct link via the old North Kerry curve would cost €35m. And he appears to want it just for the Ryder Cup (1 week)!! The link is advocated by a local councillor: councillors are just about the most irresponsible people you can find.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,791 ✭✭✭flyingsnail


    To me it reads like he wants both, to have it open in time for the Ryder cup and to keep it open afterwards.

    Mr Sheehan said introducing the curve again would strengthen the case to
    keep the Adare rail station open to passengers after next year’s Ryder
    Cup.


    To be honest even if it was given the green light in the morning it would be hard pushed to get through planning, tender, construction and opening inside of 15 months.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,831 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    TD not councillor and it's not just for the Ryder Cup. He said it would be "getting something positive out of the Ryder Cup" not for it. Normal enough for politicians to look for lasting legacies from these types of tournaments.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 13,630 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    A TD who lives in cloud cuckoo land. You wouldn't get such a project to ACP in time for the Ryder Cup, never mind get a RO and get it built.



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