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General Star Trek thread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,033 ✭✭✭JayRoc


    Oh, Kai Winn, the Space Pope? The face of the church in a land where faith is everything?

    Who decides the Space 'Ra are brilliant or the devil incarnate, depending on which way the polls go?

    Sounds familiar



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,854 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    It's very common for oppressed societies to double down on things that were suppressed like religion.

    Bajor is like Ireland but also clearly the Jews. Duet is essentially a WWII story in space. You can also see elements of former communist bloc countries in Bajor's politics.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 624 ✭✭✭eadrom


    Bajor also works, and maybe a slightly better fit even, as an allegory for India. The post colonial stuff, which they share with ourselves, but then also the religious and caste stuff is a bit of a better fit for India than it is for Ireland.

    Of course I’m sure both, and other post colonial histories, were an inspiration in different ways / at different times.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,979 ✭✭✭Evade


    Bajor is just like Ireland for real for real. I wonder if by 2420 everyone's grandfather will have been at Gallitep despite not supporting its liberation at the time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,033 ✭✭✭JayRoc


    Every so often, I think of giving up boards for obvious reasons.

    But then something pops up, such as the above conversation.



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  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 5,596 Mod ✭✭✭✭Rawr


    The Space ‘Ra

    Sorry folks, but from now on I shall only refer to the Bajoran Militia as, «The Space ‘Ra».

    On a slightly related note, whenever the name «IRA Steven Behr» appears in the DS9 credits I always wonder…. «Do they call him «The ‘Ra» Behr?»



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,636 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Space Ra? I thought that was something for Stargate or factual documentary series Ancient Aliens…

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 624 ✭✭✭eadrom




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,979 ✭✭✭Evade


    DS9 should be gold, no? That looks more like Voyager's titles.

    EDIT: I'm wrong



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,913 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    A quote from Jaron Lanier "If Star Trek from the 90's had lasted another 10 years, there'd be many fewer teen suicides today"

    Kinda agree with him, all that optimism got lost from the 90's on



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,423 ✭✭✭DoctorEdgeWild


    Massive weight behind the idea that consuming media based around classic character driven dilemma and moral reasoning can help drive and develop a person's own moral compass.

    Which kinda makes one despair when we see what quality popular media is now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,033 ✭✭✭JayRoc


    More on DS9 season 5..

    "In Purgatory's Shadow/ By Inferno's Light" are up there with "Parallels " as some of my favourite Worf (and by extension, Klingon) stories.

    He and Garak become prisoners in a Dominion "Internment Camp" (the Irish metaphor continues), and he is forced to repeatedly fight against Jem Hadar opponents until he loses or dies.

    These scenes, for me, show the romantic, idealistic , even poetic side of the Klingon Warrior Ethic; the best elements of a culture that would probably be intolerable otherwise.

    Worf is a man alone; an uncompromising and rigid adherent of Klingon codes and mores… even though he was raised in a different world and taught different values.

    It's no coincidence that Spock was once referred to as "The Most Vulcan of Vulcans", their backgrounds are very similar in many ways.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,033 ✭✭✭JayRoc


    It's a testament to the acting talent of Louise Fletcher that while apparently being a very nice lady she has portrayed two of the most detestable, evil characters ever seen on our screens; Kai Winn and Nurse Rached



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,033 ✭✭✭JayRoc


    I've just finished season 5 of DS9 and of course one of the standouts of the whole season was Trials and Tribble-ations.

    I can't express how big of a deal this episode was when I was younger, TOS is probably my favourite TV show of all time and seeing one of its most beloved episodes being brought into the modern trek universe was such a blast. The writers Ron Moore and Rene Echevarria were both massive fans of the original series and you could tell.

    (I was only slightly bummed out to discover, years later, that the plan had originally been to throw back to another wonderful episode, A Piece of the Action, but what the hell , it all worked out)

    This was one of only two episodes I bought on imported American laserdisc, in addition to having the VHS versions (Laserdiscs were an early digital format, they looked like a 12 inch DVD basically and were hugely expensive, like 40 or 50 punts each).

    The other was Way of the Warrior.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,854 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    On a technical level Trials just seemed unreal at the time.

    It holds up too compared to some of the cheap graphics and horrible de-aging shte out there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,033 ✭✭✭JayRoc


    I think it holds up really really well, special effects wise.

    The cinematography/lighting and makeup were a little less impressive, I felt. They tried but it didn't quite gel with the original footage.

    They should have gotten the DOP from Star Trek Continues to do it, it would have been perfect!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,979 ✭✭✭Evade


    I wish they would have put Dorn in classic Klingon makeup on the station but I understand how confusing it would have been.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,854 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Worst thing about the episode was how later series ran with them pointing out that Klingons looked different.

    That and Dax saying Spock was sexy. Jesus later Trek really done that to death. That and fanfic fantasies about Spock and Chapel has practically ruined SNW.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,979 ✭✭✭Evade


    To be fair Jadzia was attracted to brains. Just look at Captain Boday.*

    *Well, you can't because he never appeared on-screen



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,854 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Funny enough my image of him was similar to the utterly crap reveal of the Breen in Discovery.

    Again if you are going by Discovery Dax is into men with two peni.

    As stupid as all that sounds it's still not as stupid as pairing Jadsia with Worf at all. Star Treks most sexually liberal character with its most traditionalist conservative.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 624 ✭✭✭eadrom


    I was always a little annoyed at how totally and without comment they dropped the Worf / Troi relationship.

    An odd pairing – I don’t get the impression that it’s a fan favourite? – but I kinda liked it and in particular how it developed organically over a number of episodes. A rare enough example of TNG character/relationship building.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,979 ✭✭✭Evade


    I must have repressed the Breen reveal or dipped out before it. LD did have a Gallamite though

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,773 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Nah, they pointed out something that was obvious and ST Enterpise did a great 3 parter on it.

    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,798 ✭✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    My ex was a huge TNG fan and would regularly comment (read rant!) about Troi choosing Riker over Worf.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,377 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    "Sexy Spock" was a thing before "trials and Tribulations" I remember.

    Tbh any relationship with Worf in it was going to be a bit toxic due to his controlling nature. Not surprised Troi, someone trained to recognise the signs, didn't spend too long with him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 233 ✭✭Perfidious Cretin


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    Just starting my yearly run through of all the Trek movies...



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 5,596 Mod ✭✭✭✭Rawr


    TMP is a movie that aged better for me over time. As a kid I could barely tolerate it, accepting it only because it did have some cool moments like that Klingon attack on V’Ger above and other excellent moments of space horror.

    In more recent years I’ve warmed up to the whole package of TMP, which does its best to take TOS and try to make the danger and mystery of space far bigger than the 60’s budgets would allow. Now we get space monsters bigger than a planet, full makeup Klingons and even a shot of the entire Enterprise crew. All put together with the best SFX they could muster and an Enterprise redesign that made the TOS ship seem more like a real thing.

    TMP is the reason we got any more Trek after 1979, and I think it deserves a bit of love.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 233 ✭✭Perfidious Cretin


    Well said. I have a soft spot for it, simply because it was the first trek anything I watched as a very young child. The version I have is the original theatrical. I saw the directions cut in the cinema a few years back when they re released it. I didn't like the cuts or the new cgi. There's something timeless about the OG version.

    In the original version when they're all assembled watching Epsilon get destroyed they actually cut the 2nd viewer off that Kirk shouts in the directors cut. I don't know why but it's a little detail that annoyed me..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,979 ✭✭✭Evade


    Spock is half of the origin of the term slashfic after all.

    Worf gets a bad rap. It's not like he committed a little bit of terrorism because of "no sex please, we're British Klingon."



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,033 ✭✭✭JayRoc


    When I was a callow youth I came across a book called "Women on Top" which was basically a painstaking compilation of various women's most intimate sexual fantasies. The only thing I can clearly remember is that the "Kirk/Spock" pairing was the only thing to come up more than once.

    Teenage Me was slightly outraged :)



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