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BusConnects Dublin - Bus Network Changes Discussion

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,352 ✭✭✭trellheim


    Looking at this I cannot see a reason for the changes here https://ballymunfinglasscheme.ie/planned-changes-at-the-st-mobhi-road-griffith-avenue-junction/

    what am I missing , a left turn onto Griffith avenue becomes a more complicated left turn onto Griffith avenue



  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 11,435 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatInABox


    It's a bus priority measure as part of BusConnects. The spine going down Mobhi Road will currently get trapped behind cars turning left. The Core Bus Corridor will change the left hand lane from a "Turn Left for all traffic" lane into a "Bus Lane for straight through".

    In order to preserve the ability to turn left, traffic needed to be routed somewhere, so around the triangle it goes. No ideal, but not major either, and will preserve the priority for buses fairly well there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,578 ✭✭✭rameire


    This will only work if traffic turning right from Mobhi road onto Griffith Ave heading west is removed.

    Traffic coming from Ballymun road heading north will also have to turn right onto the r102 on the bottom left of the triangle if they want to head onto Griffith ave.

    Oh the fun.

    I think there will have to be a few other movements added and removed around the whole of the triangle.

    🌞 3.8kwp, 🌞 Clonee, Dub.🌞



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,352 ✭✭✭trellheim


    But Mobhi road southbound is green most of the time (havent driven that way in ages but thats the way it used to be ) and a left filter would clear a lot of it , and as Rameire says it plays havoc with westbound traffic on the south end of the triangle so this seems like mega effort for little return



  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 11,435 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatInABox


    Here's the arrangement approved under the plan.

    Screenshot 2026-05-20 at 17.06.38.png

    There is currently zero bus priority there on any side of the triangle, and afterwards there will be bus priority on every side. You might not feel as if it is necessary, but there is no way to provide bus priority on all sides without making changes.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,556 ✭✭✭VonLuck


    I see some ground investigation works are ongoing near the Bernard Shaw in Phibsboro. Must be related to the future BusConnects works at the bridge.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,352 ✭✭✭trellheim


    You are not going to convince me that making buses do a right turn, a wait at a traffic light, a super-tight left turn and, another wait at traffic lights is somehow an improvement over a free-flowing left turn . That road and junction was my bus commute for many many years.



  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 11,435 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatInABox


    Ah, I finally see what your problem with it is, but you are mistaken.

    Buses won't be doing any of that, because there are no buses that go from Mobhi road onto Griffith Avenue.

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    As you can see here, no buses will be turning left at this junction. It's only for cars, etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,352 ✭✭✭trellheim


    Did nothing replace the No. 11 on that route ? There ya go I learned something today, but I was sure something had replaced that route .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,678 ✭✭✭VG31


    The 11 used Home Farm Road, not Griffith Avenue and the 19 is the same.

    The N2 eastbound uses the Mobhi Road triangle and turns left on to Griffith Avenue. However after these changes it will be able to go straight through.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,578 ✭✭✭rameire


    That Makes sense, thought that would also be an issue.

    Only issue i can see now is traffic buildup on the southern part of the triangle heading west. Currently traffic builds up on this part to then head north on Ballymun road, with a simple reconfig of the lights it could help and clear the backlog.

    🌞 3.8kwp, 🌞 Clonee, Dub.🌞



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,556 ✭✭✭VonLuck


    I see the construction compound across from Glasnevin Cemetery is currently under construction (red dashed line below). Works must be finally happening on the Finglas route.

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  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 24,360 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    It was the old 13 that used to go on Griffith Avenue, it is a completely different route now. It was a major lose for this area, the N2 is nowhere near an adequate replacement (frequency far too low).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,592 ✭✭✭✭cgcsb


    According to the website some work is starting in June. On the Liffey Valley corridor they have some things down as starting the 18th of May but of course nothing on the ground.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,352 ✭✭✭trellheim


    Sorry yes the 13 . All those years in and out of NIHE and DCU 36,19a,11,13 take whatever comes at Westmoreland st. I was not paying attention and though that they would not let Griffith Av essentially be unserved - as you say the N2 is not a replacement .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,678 ✭✭✭VG31


    The N2 is not a replacement for the 13. It just happens to use that stretch of Griffith Avenue that the 13 did. The E1 and E2 are replacements for the 13.

    The N2 frequency is adequate. It's not a busy route apart from when schools start and finish. It would be hard to justify a frequency increase.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 24,360 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    The N2 was sold to the residents of Griffith Avenue as the replacement. It obviously isn't a direct replacement for the 13, that is the E's as you say, but it terms of an elderly resident on Griffith Avenue who can't walk far. This was the bus that was sold to them that would stop at the same stops as the old 13. Obviously they would then need to transfer to an E or 16, etc..

    I'd argue they were sold a pop on that.

    For the N2, it is a bit chicken and egg, people don't use it as much as they might, because it is so infrequent and thus not reliable, which leads to low usage which makes increasing frequency not justifiable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,916 ✭✭✭mikeybhoy


    It's every 20 mins off peak and every 15 mins during the peak on paper. Which isn't awful frequency for a local route. But how many of those departures are cancelled or run so late they might as well be.

    In my experience Go-Ahead are an absolutely awful operator. I'm not saying DB are perfect in fact far from it but their a damn sight better than GAI. At least rtpi actually works on DB even if a bus is cancelled it generally shows up on RTPI.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,615 ✭✭✭bikeman1


    I "would" be a user of the N2, but it is too unreliable, buses cancelled, delayed and get snarled up crossing the Swords Rd with no priority. As a result, I make alternative arrangements and go as if it is not there. Shame really.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 24,360 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    It goes to 30 minutes frequency in the evenings!

    And all it takes is one cancellation for you to be standing there for an hour!

    I don’t think cancellations are any worse with GAI, it is just much more noticeable on an infrequent route like this.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,084 ✭✭✭tnegun


    From my experience, GAI do not manage service cancellations particularly well. The W6, which operates at a 30-minute frequency, can be subject to multiple consecutive cancellations, while the W2 and W4 continue to maintain their 15-minute service frequency operating from the same terminus. In practice, they could cancel one of the more frequent W2 or W4 services to reduce the impact on W6 passengers, but this never seems to happen.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,082 ✭✭✭Hippodrome Song Owl


    The W2 has lots of cancellations. Especially mornings between 6.30 and 9.30. At best 3 out of 4 services operate. Regularly 30 min gaps.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,084 ✭✭✭tnegun


    I'm not saying they don't, but I've sat at the Square on more than one occasion for over an hour(almost 2 hours once!) while the W2 and W4 continued to operate the 15-minute frequency with no attempt by GAI to mitigate the impact on the W6.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,082 ✭✭✭Hippodrome Song Owl


    Well as a daily W2 user I've likewise sat at LV early morning while W2s are "scheduled" (no show) and cancelled. On at least 5 occasions in the past 6 months there has been an hour between buses. I feel the S4 is prioritised at LV. I also get the W6 from Celbridge to Maynooth and back regularly and feel it's more reliable! I guess we all focus on our own priority routes and feel they're worse off!

    If you're seeing particular W6 issues recently then it's likely due to the gridlock in Celbridge with multiple Irish Water Road closures coinciding, with a diversion increasing local journey time 10 fold at peak times. Both W6 and C4 are unable to keep to schedule as routes are taking an extra 30-50 mins here.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,916 ✭✭✭mikeybhoy


    Its not only cancellations its services running excessively late with no notice to intending passengers. For example i was getting the L26 from Blackrock station there recently bus had disappeared off the board once it came to the departure i had assumed the bus was cancelled only for it to run 25 mins late with no notice on the RTPI app or boards. On DB it usually shows up on the app as cancelled or delayed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,084 ✭✭✭tnegun


    I've given up on the W6 and take the car/bike now rather than rely on it. I haven't used it for at least 3 months, and those works hadn't yet started in Celbridge or Maynooth for the ones I experienced. I don't doubt they're bad on all routes, and I'd give them some slack if there were any evidence of them attempting to manage or limit the impact of successive cancelled services, but I just don't see it.

    On more than one occasion, there was a bus but no driver at the square for the cancelled service and for the 2-hour wait I had, a bus and driver did show up, pulled in before the terminus, setup for the W6 to Maynooth and promptly drove back to the depot. When I complained, the NTA and GAI tried to tell me the service operated and eventually conceded when I sent them the route map from bustimes showing it going back to Ballymount while operating the W6.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,082 ✭✭✭Hippodrome Song Owl


    Yep, similar happens for W2 at LV. There are often 3 buses parked with W2 displayed, all with drivers on board, but no bus actually operates. TFI twitter often claims these buses definitely operated. GAI certainly seems to have form for this infuriating practice.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,043 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    And yet some people wonder why commuters go back to using the car.

    There are a lot of complaints about BC on another forum and posters reccomending to drive instead or cycle if you can.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,014 ✭✭✭OscarMIlde


    I don't know what the point of the TFI twitter is. You ask a direct question like is x service at x time operating and it will say yes it is, and then it's not operating. They don't seem to ever check whether they are or not, so what is the point of it. Wrong information is worse than no information.

    “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.”


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,491 ✭✭✭dublinman1990


    RTÉ reported yesterday that Transport Minister Darragh O'Brien has convened a group within his department, along with officials in the NTA & IÉ to sort out the congestion issue in Dublin. The group has been given the task to open up new park & ride facilities & additional bus services. It is written in the section of the article called Short term measures.

    I don't know what the additional bus services mean for the likes of BusConnects in Dublin.

    Does this measure come their own remit or this group setup by the Minister looking at ways to start up new local link bus routes in Dublin to complement BusConnects?

    I know there was some talk on this site about a new local link bus route for Blackrock Dart Station sometime during or after the pandemic. However is there talk of this additional route coming soon?



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