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2026 Galway West By Election

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,785 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Whether you feel Labour made silly un-keepable promises or whether you think they downright lied to get into power and were actually more than happy with the deal they made with FG is irrelevant… The SD's are seen as having neither of these qualities and that is the big difference with them

    FFG would be further to the right than the centre I'd argue.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,611 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    With the emergence of groupings like Aontu and II, it is becoming clearer that FF and FG are predominantly centrist parties.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,466 ✭✭✭1641


    And the SDs will stay "pure" as long as they absolve themselves from the responsibility of "power". That is not necessarily a bad thing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,611 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    The problem with that is you risk becoming an irrelevance, something like PBP.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,785 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    It's an analog scale, not just 3 different groupings. Aontú and II are both further to the right but that doesn't make FFG centrists. Doing so completely ignores how they run the country for the benefit of big businesses, bankers and multinationals while ignoring things like housing and healthcare



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,157 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    I would be surprised if FG won a second seat here in the GE and astonished if FF did. Much stiffer competition for the centrist right-leaning vote here than in other constituencies with Thomas and Greealish (assuming he runs again)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,161 ✭✭✭pjmn


    Jesus it's a motley crew we have to pick from, hard to get too energised about any of them…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,611 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    You ignore the FACTs that we have the most redistributive income tax system in the OECD and the highest level of transfer payments. Both of those are strongly left-wing. They must be centrist.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,466 ✭✭✭1641


    Ah,"bankers" - so beloved by sloganeers. I am not sure what this actually means in concrete policy terms!

    As regards "multinationals" they account for easily half of the country's total tax take (including income tax and indirect taxes from their employees). Tax - that stuff that pays for schools, pensions, nurses, disability services and countless more boring stuff. The boring stuff that the SDs (etc) want much more money spent on. How does this work without the tax-rich "multinational" base? It seems you don't like "big business" in general so its hardly from them. Irish "socialists" in general seem peculiarly silent on realistic revenue raising.

    That is if we leave aside another favourite populist slogan - "tax the rich"!

    By the way, if we had a genuine and honest socialist party I would be strongly inclined to vote for them. As opposed to populist, whether left or right.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,611 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    Unfortunately, all we do have is a variety of different populist parties, none of them have any ideological consistency.

    On the left, the PBP, SF and others oppose the LPT and water charges, two taxes that fall on property owners rather than the poor.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 158 ✭✭GippyGup


    Spare a thought for all the canvassers out today across Galway while their candidates will be in a warm hotel for the Galway Bay FM debate at 6. Thankless work!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,785 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Maybe you're too young to remember but if you have a look up of budgets around the 2008 financial crash and the subsequent years you'd be hard pressed to call FF or FG centrist parties. Also worth looking up the "apple tax deal" while you're at it

    The flip side to your argument against taxing multinationals fairly is that by taxing them fairly we have more money to spend on all of those boring things

    Taxing the rich isn't just a "popular slogan" it's actually a very smart way to run an economy. See the nordic countries for more information. Or you could take a look at the USA for how not to



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,785 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Or they get into power, come good on their promises, or at least most of them, and get re-elected for doing so. They would still then be "pure" in many peoples eyes



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,308 ✭✭✭✭zell12


    Those young folk better remember to vote! https://www.thejournal.ie/galway-west-byelection-helen-ogbu-labour-mide-nic-fhionnlaoich-social-democrats-7043552-May2026/

    The canvass also came across some scepticism about Labour, with one older voter arguing the party had “lost its grassroots” and questioning its record in government.

    😃



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,466 ✭✭✭1641


    I have taken a look at the Nordic countries. Take a look at the income tax in Sweden on the lowest third of income earners compared to the same cohort in Ireland. Services are good but all people are required to pay towards them in tax and insurance. Also, I looked at the number of rich millionaires departing Norway for tax exile when a surcharge tax was added for them. There was a similar exodus in France under Hollande for the same reason. Taxing nothing brings in nothing.

    But most "wealth" in Ireland is held in the form of property and most of that is in the form of housing. Now compare our levels of property tax with most of Europe - and particularly high public social spending countries. I can't see any of our "socialist" parties calling for similar levels of property tax here.

    As for "taxing multinationals fairly" I assume you mean taxing them more? (And why only multinationals, by the way?). We have prospered in terms of jobs (largely well paid) and total corporation tax by taxing at the a very competitive level. Again 15% of a lot is better than 30% of very little. Unless they are really here for the weather?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,466 ✭✭✭1641


    True. And we'll all live happily ever after. In a green and pleasant land.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,308 ✭✭✭✭zell12


    "your time is up, your time is up, cut off his mic" 😄



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,308 ✭✭✭✭zell12


    "michael healy-rae nominated me for the seanad as did michael lowry" 😃



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,308 ✭✭✭✭zell12


    "why did your party say you can debate in irish when you can't" 😄



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,270 ✭✭✭✭Geuze




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,308 ✭✭✭✭zell12


    Did he just say he is moving into "a one square metre house"? and then "anyone who cannot afford to buy a house in galway is homeless"

    How do we produce such crackpots?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,308 ✭✭✭✭zell12


    Someone suggested there that all buses should go across the QB. Does not appear to understand that surveys show most transit demand is to/via the centre



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 874 ✭✭✭Stewball


    I just opened Galway Bay FM's website and I'm met with a massive advertisement for Sean Kyne….



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 712 ✭✭✭Dank Janniels


    Just tuned in, the Presenter dont seem to be taking any waffle from anyone!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52 ✭✭432Hz


    Keane, Ogbu and the Sinn fein lad not coming across very well from what I'm hearing. I liked that idea from the non-galway lad to allow cars of 3 people or more to use the bus lanes. We should take his idea and not vote him in.

    All the others are impossible to separate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52 ✭✭432Hz


    Nobody believes that claim that most transit demand is to/via the centre. No data to back it up whatsoever.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,308 ✭✭✭✭zell12


    It is true. Bus Eireann said the demand is via city, as that is where services are, schools, rail station, etc. Hence why Bus Connects is going via Salmon Weir.

    The Galway Tour Co refused to take the licenced route Knocknacarra-Parkmore as they would not be able to keep a schedule due to QB congestion.

    Otherwise it is up to the firms to provide private buses for their employees - like the HSE shuttle bus - which does not have a fixed route.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,785 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    To say people are wealthy just because they own property is misguided. Somebody can be on the state pension and own their own house while a well paid job might allow somebody to rent. Is the pensioner on €240 a week more wealthy than the worker on €240 an hour?

    I suppose when a multinational can be taxed at 15% (or 0.05% if you're a high end high price tech manufacturer) and the local businessman has to pay 40%+ it's a bit unfair. I'm not saying the MNCs need to pay more but the gap is much too wide. Some are here for the weather. Not too hot, not too cold, no extreme weather patterns, but most are here because we're EU, English speaking, politically and militarily safe, and well educated. To say they'll all up-sticks if we want them to pay a bit more in tax is just daft



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,466 ✭✭✭1641


    The worker on €240 an hour (how many?) is paying very substantial income tax. The pensioner on €240 pw (the State Pension is €299 by the way) does not pay any tax on this, nor should they. But the pensioner who owns a €900,000 house is wealthy compared to a young worker paying rent on a relatively low wage (or, indeed, a pensioner paying rent). There are systems to deal with low income/high wealth situations. The social democratic and high social spending states you previously alluded to recognise this and apply substantial property taxes in their various ways.

    A house is a property investment as well as a place to live - it is a valuable asset and the increase property prices over decades reflects this. Any Party serious about "wealth tax" needs to address this, as house property is where the majority of wealth in this country resides. Bizarrely "socialist" SF imposed a cap on property tax (rates) in Northern Ireland - the cap doesn't affect low or middle value homes but only the high value property in the leafy suburbs and country mansions. All while services in the jurisdiction are crumbling for want of funding - which very much affects "ordinary people". This, of course, is their choice. But it is not "socialist" or "left".

    (But, perhaps, all those living in the expensive high end house are pensioners living on €240pw?).



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,785 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    (But, perhaps, all those living in the expensive high end house are pensioners living on €240pw?).

    Probably not but my point is that somebody might be wealthy on paper due to property ownership but might not necessarily have a lot of disposable income. The way in which we currently apply the property tax takes little account of somebodies ability to pay it and that is the main reason that the left wing parties in this country oppose it.



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