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Ireland vs Israel - To play or not to play, that is the question Read OP for Mod Warning

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,474 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Certainly UEFA/FIFA are mealy-mouthed hypocrites - they should hang their heads in shame at tacitly approving Israel's abhorrent War Crimes whilst simultaneously banning Russia - which CAS upheld.

    I certainly support the idea of the FAI boycotting the games but I can see that they are caught between a rock and a hard place.

    But as Israel continues its Genocide in Gaza and extends it North into Lebanon plus gives the Settler thugs a full pass to steal, loot, kill and burn in the West Bank, the tide will turn.

    By the way, do you support or condemn the Israeli actions in Gaza?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,383 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    But thats utterly irrelevant. The bizarre notion that an Irish boycott would lead to other nations following is insane. The FAI doesn't have that power.

    And Ireland playing that fixture doesn't mean Ireland is supporting a genocide or else Italy - who have played Israel 4 times in the last few years - are supporters in chief of Israel.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,729 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    The bizarre notion that an Irish boycott would lead to other nations following is insane. 

    It literally happened with Russia ffs. Stop calling something that happened within the last few years a "Bizarre notion" and "insane". You look like you're writing for the Daily Mail.

    And right now, literally at this minute, 5 countries are boycotting the Eurovision because of Israel.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,396 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    By the way, do you support or condemn the Israeli actions in Gaza?

    My beliefs are not the topic of conversation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,396 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    Russia were getting banned for political reasons. No other reason formed part of that decision. The political powers in the world called that and the Polish FA statement did not factor in that decision.

    And 5 countries are boycotting the Eurovision but

    1. There is a lot more then 5 taking part who are not boycotting it

    2. Israel are taking part. So those boycotting really made a difference, NOT



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,474 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Nicely swerved there - especially as you're more than happy to comment on the topic of everyone else's beliefs.

    I'd call that hypocrisy.


    Just because someone doesn't support the idea of the FAI boycotting the 2 games does not equate to someone being pro-israel.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,383 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    And is the Eurovision falling apart or continuing as normal with Israel having less competition?

    Like if you want to make things easier for Israel just admit it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,396 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    Nope wrong

    I am simply stating that supporting the FAI decision to play the games does not equate to anyone being pro-Israel or support their actions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,729 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,396 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    Thats not why Russia got banned. You are totally deluded if you think thats what caused the ban. The ban came from the power held by those within a big white house in Washington DC.

    It had nothing to do with Sweden or Poland FA.

    If the Russian ban was as a result of that, why did the FAI motion not have the same result for Israel?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,729 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    We're just going to have to form our own opinions based on the information they've given us to work with.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,396 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    Any chance you respond to my post to you yesterday? Have you figured out a viable solution yet?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,729 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


     The ban came from the power held by within a big white house in Washington DC.

    I have presented evidence to support my position, you're producing nothing to support yours. I'm not entertaining this style of debate without some form of supporting content.

    As for the FAI motion not being successful? Why do you think? Because Israel can and does exert a lot more influence than Russia does.

    Does that mean a boycott shouldn't be called for? Absolutely not.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,729 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    If you think I'm going running off to find what you're talking about, I'm sorry to disappoint you. Quote it or post it again and I'll consider it. If I saw it yesterday, I would have responded if I felt it was worth doing so. That isn't guaranteed either.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,396 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    You have presented no evidence. The HAAS F1 team, an American team, removed the Russian sponsor livery from cars and trucks hours after the Russian invasion in 2022 which speaks volumes of the political situation. The Polish FA statement came 2 or 3 days later.

    Russian were getting banned well before the Polish and Swedish FA made any public declarations. Have you anything to back up your claim that the Russian ban which was broadly speaking a blanket ban across all sports had anything to do with the Swedish and Polish FA?

    You disregarded statements from the FAI CEO previously which is far more conclusive then anything you have posted. And you did that because it doesn't suit your agenda.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,474 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Eh? The white house banned Russia?

    You seem to be having a lot of trouble in deciding who did or did not ban Russia, or why.

    I posted the CAS ruling earlier which was very clear. And the same reason why Israel should be banned.

    No mention of "Washington DC" at all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,396 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    Russia were banned for political reasons. Their biggest enemy is USA

    Israel havent been banned as they are an major ally of USA.

    When did that CAS ruling take place? What date?

    Here is a list of bans from various organisations all within hours/days of the invasion. It had nothing to do with the Polish or Swedish FA or CAS

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_sporting_sanctions_during_the_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine#:~:text=The%20exclusion%20of%20Russian%20and,started%20on%2024%20February%202022.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,474 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Ah, so nothing to do with invading Ukraine.

    And here's me wondering why so many keep banging on about politics not being part of sport - clearly your finger is on the pulse.

    Not sure of the date - I'd say Google will pop it up for you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,396 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    They broke a UN truce agreement by invading Ukraine inside a certain time frame. Before the Swedish or Polish FA made their statements multiple suspensions were issued, several sporting events were taken out of Russia/cancelled and sponsorship agreement were cancelled.

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    Some posters which to use the Swedish/Polish FA as some sort of proof that Russia got banned as a result of those statements and that the FAI following suit over the Israel fixtures will have the same impact but thats utter nonsense. If Israel were to be banned it would have happened some time in the last 31 or so months.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,396 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    But money is important.

    Answer honestly, can your household survive without income? Mine couldnt for more then maybe a month.

    If you come up with idea that allows the FAI to boycott the games, but with the following criteria met, I will support it …

    1. An alternative home fixture against another international side of reasonable quality is guaranteed that will generate €4-5m, but remember it is an international window

    2. The FAI are guaranteed not to lose TV rights money from UEFA for boycotting the two games v Israel games they are contractually obliged to fulfil

    3. The FAI are guaranteed not to be subject to further sporting or financial punishment by UEFA for boycotting games they are contractually obliged to fulfil

    4. The FAI are guaranteed to NOT lose the co-host of Euro 2028 [That’s worth somewhere in region of €25m to the FAI]

    5. LOI clubs will not be banned from UEFA competitions as a result of a boycott.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,474 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Ok - now I'm getting confused - the IOC has nothing to do with football governed by UEFA/FIFA as far as I'm aware?

    I was referring to CAS upholding the ban on Russia by UEFA/FIFA for doing something that Israel is also guilty of.

    But as others have pointed out, Israel is already breaching FIFA statutes which FIFA refuses to acknowledge.

    Hence FIFA's hypocrisy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,396 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    Russia got banned because of the political power held by USA. They broke a UN truce agreement and within days, long before any Polish or Swedish FA statement was issued bans, suspensions etc were already issued.

    You can be bloody sure that the White House was pulling strings in the bbackground. FIFA were never going to go against the tide.

    THE original suspensions/bans had nothing to do with CAS



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,474 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Yes - another poster has covered the CAS bit. I posted the CAS ruling earlier.

    How the UN and IOC are involved, i can't see it tbh. UEFA/FIFA and then CAS are all that's required to implement a ban. The UN/IOC may well have some sway, but they are not decision makers in bans.

    But given the utterly cringeworthy FIFA peace prize debacle, I understand that sport is most definitely political.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,396 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    Read the wiki link. Have a look at how quickly things moved on February 24 2022. It literally began that day. By UEFA pulling the Champions League final from St Petersburg and cancelling a sponsoring deal with Gazprom a few days later.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,729 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    I don't care if you support my calls for a boycott or not.

    And as for loss of income, many families have to deal with unexpected income loss and they do just that, they deal with it, in various ways. Covid was a perfect example of that. I'm not saying it's easy, but it can and would be done. I gave one potential solution to overcome financial loss already.

    Israel is committing a genocide and has been enforcing an apartheid for many years before that. It continues to ignore UN resolutions by expanding its illegal settlements, it has attacked several neighbouring countries and has introduced the death penalty for Palestinians who commit certain crimes, but not for Israelis should they commit the same crime.

    It is abhorrent to be allowing them to engage on the world stage in representative fashion as you and others are advocating for here. And talking about FAI finances is just a deflection tactic I feel for many who just don't want what is a largely a left wing supported ideal to be successful.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,474 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    I simply cannot understand how anyone thinks it's ok to not even protest Israel taking part after what they have done and continue to do.

    And I've made it clear, I can see how the FAI are hamstrung - but that is no excuse for not calling out War Crimes and Genocide and the football fans of a nation who are overtly racist (another FIFA statute broken there of course) and pure thugs.

    If the FAI do boycott the two games, I'd support them 100%.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,396 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    You have not provided a solution. You shared an idea which simply was unworkable, was completely debunked by several posters, and ignored large problems which would need to be overcome for which you have provided NO solutions.

    You also made a big song and dance about conditions (that you wanted me to agree to before posting) attached to sharing your idea, now you have those conditions agreed to, you are deflecting away from it. I wonder why?

    The FAI finances are important to the FAI and their staff though. Its not deflection, its real life situation. The FAI have to look after their own house first. And those in it. Just because you cannot accept that doesn't mean these issues dont exist.

    Covid was not a perfect example as the state provided an increased social welfare payment to people impacted.

    I have never advocated Israel continue to be allowed to engage on the world stage inna representative fashion. Not once.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,729 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Just disagreeing with something, is not debunking it. My idea was as valid on here as the attempts to dissuade it, all of us here are just joe public commentating on a topic. You seem to expect content advocating for the ban to have been accepted by the FAI/UEFA whereas you present counterevidence that is nothing more than your opinion.

    And yes, you have advocated that Israel be allowed to engage on the world stage. Every post of yours dismissing calls for a ban is advocating that position. That's a simple cause and effect scenario.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,729 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    If the FAI do boycott the two games, I'd support them 100%.

    I'd be proud of them, and would support them. Financially as well as morally.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,474 ✭✭✭dmcdona




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