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Ireland vs Israel - To play or not to play, that is the question Read OP for Mod Warning

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,729 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Oh And Messi signing up to play two games in Lansdowne would be a pile of nonsense.

    Again, point missed.

    You're just repeating the same thing as before, im not going around in circles with you again.

    This topic is about more important things than money. Thats the harsh reality. Harsh for the FAI? Maybe. Harsher for the people suffering at the hands of Israel? Definitely.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,611 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    As I said to another poster, we in Ireland have set the precedent under Article 65 with Derry City:

    "Associations, leagues or clubs that are affiliated to a member association may only join another member association or take part in competitions on that member association’s territory under exceptional circumstances."

    The Nations League is taking place under the jurisdiction of UEFA, a separate organisation, not FIFA. FIFA would not be imposing sanctions on us, UEFA would.

    Any lawyer worth their name will be able to tell the FAI that they don't have a chance refuting the charges if they don't play, and that the UEFA money will be gone, and we could also get a ban affecting clubs as well as the national team.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,013 ✭✭✭Dr Robert


    Yes, but we'll all feel great and get lots of online thanks...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,399 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    But money is important.

    Answer honestly, can your household survive without income? Mine couldnt for more then maybe a month.

    If you come up with idea that allows the FAI to boycott the games, but with the following criteria met, I will support it …

    1. An alternative home fixture against another international side of reasonable quality is guaranteed that will generate €4-5m, but remember it is an international window

    2. The FAI are guaranteed not to lose TV rights money from UEFA for boycotting the two games v Israel games they are contractually obliged to fulfil

    3. The FAI are guaranteed not to be subject to further sporting or financial punishment by UEFA for boycotting games they are contractually obliged to fulfil

    4. The FAI are guaranteed to NOT lose the co-host of Euro 2028 [That’s worth somewhere in region of €25m to the FAI]

    5. LOI clubs will not be banned from UEFA competitions as a result of a boycott.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,611 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    You forget that many of the anti-Israel brigade online are happy to put others jobs at risk and other institution's financial future at risk just to signal virtue. You won't see them throwing away their iPhone containing Israeli components, you won't see them taking out higher car insurance to avoid the insurance companies with Israeli links, you won't see them putting their own jobs at risk.

    This is very different to the Dunnes Stores workers in the apartheid situation who voluntarily put their own livelihoods at risk and didn't ask anyone else to risk their job.

    We have seen it on this thread with them calling on airport workers, taxi drivers, chefs, hotels etc. to all boycott the Israeli team without a concern for those ordinary people with jobs.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,837 ✭✭✭scottser


    UEFA is a confederation recognised by FIFA and acting under it's statutes. FIFA 'own' the game, UEFA just provides governance and facilitates competitions in Europe. UEFA kicked the decision-making on 3rd party hosting to FIFA to resolve back in September 2025 so they have already agreed to abide by FIFA's decision. FIFA deciding that it's now a UEFA issue simply won't wash.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,611 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    You don't get it, in the absence of a decision by FIFA, or if FIFA support the Israeli position, UEFA have to keep implementing their rules. That means we are disqualified from the Nations League, lose all UEFA money, lose TV money, people in the FAI are made redundant because income disappears and clubs are possible thrown out of European competition and more people made redundant.

    Even if the following day after the match, FIFA decided to sanction Israel, our punishments would still apply. Furthermore, by boycotting the match, we don't increase the pressure on FIFA or UEFA, in fact, the opposite could occur. FIFA and UEFA could see the boycott as threatening their authority leading to harsher sanctions on Ireland and the Israel issue being ignored.

    It is always so easy to ask others to put their livelihoods at risk.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,837 ✭✭✭scottser


    I do get it. UEFA allowing Israel to play football on occupied Palestinian territory is a breach of FIFA statutes. Israel not having an anti-racism policy is also in breach of FIFA statutes. If there is a dispute between UEFA member associations and UEFA's own dispute resolution mechanisms are not sufficient to resolve a dispute then FIFA's governance is in question. What is needed here is for the FAI to lobby all of the other associations for clarity and support in light of a blatant hypocrisy on behalf of FIFA and UEFA together.

    Everything else is just noise.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,611 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    I have no issue with the FAI lobbying and campaigning, but a boycott of the match by the FAI is the equivalent of taking the law into your own hands and you will be sanctioned for doing that.

    If I believe my neighbour is selling drugs, I complain to the police, I don't go around to his house and assault him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,399 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    Why is that the FAIs responsibility to do this?

    They already brought a motion last November and nobody supported them.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,013 ✭✭✭Dr Robert




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,837 ✭✭✭scottser


    Norway and Turkey supported the FAI without any lobbying.

    It's in the FAI's interest to seek support on banning Israel as it adds weight to our stance on pushing for their disqualification from UEFA.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,399 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    Norway and Turkey made noises about a ban for Israel but it cannot find anything explicitly saying the NFF abd TFF backed the FAI motion.

    Turkey issued a letter backed by a number of players in September and the NFF made representations to FIFA in December but I cannot find anything about the FAI motion being supported by them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,960 ✭✭✭csirl


    People seem to be misunderstanding how sports disciplinary processes work. It's not a popularity contest and countries dont vote on whether or not to take action.

    FIFA/UEFA operate a rules based system. Either Israel has broken rules or it hasnt. This is determined by a investigative/disciplinary process - not a vote of members. It does matter if every country votes to suspend Israel - they can only be suspended if a rules transgression is proven at a disciplinary process.

    Above all this is CAS - so if FIFA/UEFA has made a wrong decision or not followed their own process, the decision will be overturned by CAS e.g. a vote to suspend would 100% be overturned by CAS. The option of taking FIFA/UEFA to CAS is also open to member Federations (it appears all, including the FAI have accepted whatever decision UEFA has made.).

    CAS is very legalustic and anally rules based - would have no interest in emotional "genocide in Gaza" arguments. It will be a case of "what rule is alleged to have been broken...... please provide the proof".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,474 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    CAS is very legalustic and anally rules based - would have no interest in emotional "genocide in Gaza" arguments. It will be a case of "what rule is alleged to have been broken...... please provide the proof".

    The irony of accusing CAS as being "anal" - the IDF have actual form in that arena…

    But perhaps you consider the sodomising of prisoners and the killing of over 1000 kids who didn't even reach their first birthday as "emotional"?

    CAS, UEFA and FIFA should hang their collective heads in shame for their utter hypocrisy. As should those who defend them and come out with mealy mouthed "explanations" to justify the non-punishment of what is clearly immoral and abhorrent behaviour by Israel.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,960 ✭✭✭csirl


    Where is yiur proof that the Israeli Football Association did what your ckaiming?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,474 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Where's your proof that the Russian FA committed atrocities?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,960 ✭✭✭csirl


    There isnt any and thats not the reason they are suspended. There's a CAS ruling on it you should read.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,474 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    this one?

    "The panel finds it unfortunate that the current military operations in Ukraine, for which Russian football teams, clubs, and players have themselves no responsibility, had, by reason of the decisions of FIFA and UEFA, such an adverse effect on them and Russian football generally, but those effects were, in the panel's view, offset by the need for the secure and orderly conduct of football events for the rest of the world," CAS ruled.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,386 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Yep. Thats why in all the pages of demanding a boycott there hasn't been a single valid reason other than childish tantrum that would make Ireland into a laughing stock.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,729 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,399 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,729 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,386 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,729 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,386 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    You just repeating things doesn't make them true either.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,743 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    There has been valid reasons given as to why Israel should be banned, but that doesn't suit pro Israelis who are more than likely using the financial fallout from not playing the games as an excuse to run cover for Israel. If a viable financial alternative was proposed( it hasn't so far) they wouldn't support it . Of course they will never admit that. It's a bit rich to ask other to admit something when you are not prepared to do it yourself.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,729 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    You ignoring facts on the thread doesn't mean they don't exist.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,399 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    But There is no viable alternative, thats the problem. Unless UEFA/FIFA ban Israel the FAI have no choice but to fulfil the fixtures.

    Just because someone doesn't support the idea of the FAI boycotting the 2 games does not equate to someone being pro-israel.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,743 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    While that is true, given the posting history in defense of Israel by some contributors here it's not a stretch to suggest this is precisely there reason for being against a ban. Of course they will never admit to it.



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