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Journalism and Cycling 2: the difficult second album

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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 46,219 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    For me, the most surprising bit is this...

    The research involved a survey of more than 1,000 women from urban, suburban and rural areas, as well workshops, interviews and “travel diaries”. The report is the first commissioned by the State transport agency that asked women why they do or don’t cycle and what would encourage them to cycle.

    Who knew TII had it in them?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,307 ✭✭✭✭zell12


    Galway girl was on Radio1 earlier discussing that survey



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,307 ✭✭✭✭zell12


    Ms Bacik writes to IT:

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,392 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    The problem with letters like that is that we're now going to be subject to "yeah but cyclists never use hand signals". It's just point scoring nonsense. Yes, drivers should use indicators. Yes, it grinds my gears that so many don't on a daily basis. BUT, it grinds my gears whether I'm driving or cycling. And to be honest, the standard of hand signalling by most cyclists is pretty poor. So she's picked a really bad hill to die on with that letter.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 27,056 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    I always signal but I was always taught that a cyclists road position should be seen as an indication as well. I was once at the junction where a right turn takes you down between Slatterys and the Spar. in Dublin 4. I had indicated over, moved over to the right of the road. There was a red light so I just waited. I didn't hold my hand up for the entirety of the wait, and when the light went green, I glanced behind (in case someone was zooming up on the right) and pushed off. The car behind me was so incensed at my perceived non indication, that they pulled across me immediately, nearly banjaxed the rim of their wheels hopping onto the pavement to do so. Came out screaming. I mean, you just can't win. I know if I was a car, he wouldn't have batted an eyelid.

    You are 100% right about indicators, it is one of the reasons why such discussions are banned over in motoring, particularly in regards roundabouts, something they all should have been tested on but to this day, the number of people who either indicate left coming on to a roundabout they are turning right on, or don't indicate at all are clearly in the majority. I indicate on roundabouts as a cyclist, but my position alone should give more than enough information to even the most ignorant of drivers.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 860 ✭✭✭p15574


    I think they should add a re-test when they disqualify people from driving, it would delay their re-entry to the driving pool for years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,307 ✭✭✭✭zell12


    RSA collisions map, including cyclists, since 2016 🤓 https://www.rsa.ie/road-safety/statistics/collisions



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Macy0161


    Perhaps, without the context. I mean, we've all been filtering and had issues with late or no indication I assume?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,183 ✭✭✭hans aus dtschl


    I'm shocked by this yep.

    In my experience TII had a strong car culture until at least very recently. It would be lovely if this was the sign of a cultural shift. If even half of their own staff read this study we could see better future road designs. Some of the stuff TII have allowed to progress near me (sometimes fought to progress, even!) has been incredibly dangerous, and dealing with their "experts" has been terrifying at times, some of them not having any awareness of cycle design guidelines at all, while actively designing cycle infrastructure.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,584 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu


    I've said that before, certainly anyone who gets a lengthy ban (say 2 years or more) should have to start again. Anyone who kills someone through dangerous driving should get a life ban.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,234 ✭✭✭buffalo


    I'm never sure about the boundaries between TII and the NTA, but I've always got the feeling that the NTA and RSA are more roads and car focussed, while TII has a much broader overview and consequently is more balanced.

    I have no evidence in support of this, just vibes. 😁



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 27,056 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    In the current world political climate, vibes is as good as any other metric if media in the round is to be listened too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,183 ✭✭✭hans aus dtschl


    TII are renamed from NRA (not the National Rifle Association but damn close!) and inherited some dinosaurs. I visualise the boundaries as: NTA for strategy/policy (and adherence to same) TII for technical design and implementation. RSA are just a lost cause in general, they're just ads and vehicle testing, they're best ignored.

    In terms of "car first" mentality, NTA will generally try and balance all traffic modes. TII will tend to focus on one over-riding technical problem per project, and tend to prioritise the highest traffic, which is unfortunately motorised traffic.

    TII commissioned design teams try regularly to find loopholes, water down or evade the standards, with stuff like deviations below acceptable minimums, or direct deviations from standard. In practice I've NEVER seen a deviation to standard formally approved nor have I ever seen a design issue resolved during project lifecycle without outside (NTA, politicial) intervention. You can point out inadherence to the standard and they'll tie themselves up in knots trying to justify it, only for them to relent when NTA simply writes "you will adhere to the standard".

    I'm not saying NTA doesn't have dinosaurs too, just that TII have been responsible for some serious technical clangers near me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 290 ✭✭khamilton


    TII are also responsible for Motorways, National roads and some secondary roads (often link roads) which leads to significant issues when the NTA & local councils are trying to build schemes that cross over or involve a small portion of these roads.


    Even something as simple as converting three vehicle lanes into two vehicle lanes + a bus lane can be extremely difficult as TII look at the bigger picture through the lens of vehicle movements into, through, and out of their road network.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,307 ✭✭✭✭zell12


    Michéal Martin commits to routes safe routes very safe routes

    investment in cycling is a good thing. It is healthy, and it has implications for less congestion and so on, but we need to provide very safe routes. A lot of that has happened over the past number of years. We will continue our investment in active travel, cycling, pedestrian walkways and so forth. Dáil



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,392 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    "and so forth" = "I really neither know nor care what's involved but I'm told it'll take care of the designated budget and tick a load of boxes, but I couldn't tell you whether it'll be fit for purpose or not"

    I'm very cranky today.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,307 ✭✭✭✭zell12


    Liveline - some avid cyclist in Dublin on about the amount of high powered ebikes and collisions



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 46,219 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    So then they're not cyclists on bicycles but likely to be moped or similar riders without licence, tax & insurance. Presumably whoever is the new Joe Duffy will correct all the callers who use the incorrect terminology

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,455 ✭✭✭Dr_Colossus


    Ha, some of them are crazy. Was driving last Fri evening at 60km/h and there were two youths (with the customary balaclavas) keeping pace on ebikes for about 5km before I turned off. There's also a regular commuter early morning through the Phoenix Park that does 50km/h but in fairness to him he's usually out on the road since he occasionally overtakes regular traffic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,455 ✭✭✭Dr_Colossus


    Good piece rather than just jumping on the bandwagon questioning any cycling related spending.



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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 46,219 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Irish Cycling Campaign criticise a proposal by Clare Co Co to mandate hi-viz for pedestrians & cyclists. The council have voted to ask the minister to make this daft idea a legal requirement.

    https://www.thejournal.ie/hi-vis-jackets-clare-7052258-May2026/

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,307 ✭✭✭✭zell12


    Cllr was on NT earlier, and Anton asked him the pertinent queries, that he could not answer. https://www.podbean.com/media/share/dir-gsa4t-2e14ff7e



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,506 ✭✭✭fat bloke


    Man oh man, an ironic car-crash of an interview.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,392 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    I'm worn out by the 'discussion' at this point. I say 'discussion' because it's little more than click bait journalism and populist politics most of the time. The danger is that the slow drip feeding of the idea into public psyche will lead us to a point where people assume that it's common sense and should have been implemented long ago. And the frustration is a) lack of any coherent push back from cycling/ pedestrian group and b) any pertinent points raised are just never actually addressed - as in the above piece. It just goes quiet for a while and then rinse/repeat.

    Worn out.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 56,279 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    it's very father ted. quite amusing in places.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 702 ✭✭✭Cetyl Palmitate


    Talk about tying yourself in knots. Necessary to have one rule for all except maybe not in cities where there are street lights? Also necessary in rural areas as there are no guards anymore but who is going to police it in that case?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,506 ✭✭✭fat bloke


    It's like the motorist who can't see further than the end of the bonnet in front of him. He appropriated the headline at face value, "Everyone needs to wear high viz" and didn't look or delve a fraction deeper, or a micron further beyond it, or its implications, or its enforcement or its practicality.

    It's top notch public representation, it really is.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 56,279 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    i'm curious now was it actually his idea in the first place; or did he just want his chance to be interviewed on national radio?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,506 ✭✭✭fat bloke


    Like he basically came on the radio saying "Jeez lads, I nearly ran over a fella last week! Something should be done about him."



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 27,056 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    Despite the complete lack of any thought by the councillor, there will still be some who think he came off well. If ever there was an argument for Sortition where the only thing that excludes you from election is a want to be a politician, this is it.



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