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Fr Ted creator/writer Graham Linehan Arrested over posts on Transgender issues

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 428 ✭✭Mother Shaboobu


    The uppity bitch should have kept her mouth shut regarding the obvious unfairness in a competition for women.

    I mean she literally spoke out about this unfair situation. She should have just stayed quiet according to you. But if it was gross unfairness that you disagree with, I'm sure you'd be perfectly fine with people speaking out about it. It's not Rowling's fault that there are lunatics out there (of all hues - including, to a huge extent, leftwing ones).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 428 ✭✭Mother Shaboobu


    You might not understand the perspective, but seeing arseholish comments about how Rowling doesn't care about women is those things.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 428 ✭✭Mother Shaboobu




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 428 ✭✭Mother Shaboobu


    How the fuq are they one of the most marginalised, "vulnerable" groups in society? Ffs. Screaming violent abuse and sexual obscenities. Oh yeah, real actions of the "vulnerable". Obviously most trans people don't behave that way, but the fact that there are numerous who identify as trans quite happy to behave as above, hardly makes the overall group "vulnerable".

    The most vulnerable in society are: children, the very elderly, disabled people, very ill people, very poor people, trauma survivors - regardless of sex, race, ethnicity, sexuality, gender identity or religion.

    Post edited by Mother Shaboobu on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,922 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    Well let me be the first man to say that nobody should be receiving any death / rape threats or having unhinged people appearing outside their house in the bushes.

    That goes for JK Rowling, Graham Linehan, any of our politicians, right wing Nazis, left wing LGBT supporters, the most vocally trans liberated people in all the land (I've no idea who any of them are), nobody.

    I'm pretty sure that's something we can all agree upon as a starting point and to want anything other than that is unhinged and worthy of derision?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 428 ✭✭Mother Shaboobu


    If a male adult enters into a boxing match against a woman, frankly, what the fk is wrong with them? It shows such a callous lack of regard it's incredible.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 428 ✭✭Mother Shaboobu


    Of course. Virtually everyone condemns these things, and it doesn't need to be said - it can be taken as a given. Some here though are using *certain* such cases (not all) as a stick to beat people with. They call out individuals for not visibly condemning specific incidents, and imply that the lack of such condemnation means they therefore don't care about the issue as a whole... despite the fact that they also don't condemn the cases that don't "suit" them, which - by their own logic - means they, therefore, don't care about the issue as a whole either.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,114 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    Well you would think so, but I can't square that with the lack of concern when women are actually raped by convicted sex offenders or other violent criminals who have been placed in a female prison because they said they were women too.

    Unless it's because the victims were also in prison and so some people may feel that whatever happens to them in prison is just tough - but then that doesn't square with the fact that many of those same people consider the death penalty to be against a prisoner's human rights.

    So it seems to be only women's rights and safety that don't matter. Regardless of what lip service is paid.

    Or in Washington State:

    And yet they keep on putting dangerous men into women's prisons:

    "If a woman cannot stand in a public space and say, without fear of consequences, that men cannot be women, then women have no rights at all." Helen Joyce



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,214 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    I used to align myself with the left also even far left elements but I've seen the light. I'd still be in favour of certain centre left policies however.

    I'm on the verge of a site ban. Please don't rage bait me, I'm easily triggered especially late at night!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 428 ✭✭Mother Shaboobu


    Oh same here. I'm not on the right - but I'm in the centre. Still have views that are on the left of the spectrum.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,906 ✭✭✭Hangdogroad


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,337 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    For people who don't get or trust news from trans bigotry weekly. The absolute state of that website.

    Here is the actual story from the first ball of lies you shared.

    https://www.kqed.org/news/11964027/california-prisons-fail-to-uphold-transgender-rights-despite-state-law

    On May 19, 2022, Skylit and her friends were on the yard drinking prison-made wine, disciplinary records show. Skylit and her girlfriend were kissing. A few minutes after Skylit went to use the porta-potty, she said, the girlfriend followed her in and started throwing up.

    Skylit said she was holding her hair back when Calvin, one of the trans friends she played cards with, let her know a guard was approaching. Skylit stepped out and asked a couple of other people to check on the girlfriend.

    They “opened the door and they say, ‘What did you all do to our homegirl? We don’t know what you two doing, we don’t know what’s going on over here,’” Skylit recounted. “And I said, ‘We just been drinking and she was in the thing throwing up.’ But now, it’s a commotion. It’s a crowd coming up.”

    According to Skylit and two other witnesses, the girlfriend came out, and the guard scolded them. “She was like, ‘I’m OK bestie, I love you so much,’ and I hugged her and I walked away.”

    Rumors about a rape started circulating. Skylit said she heard it “from like one or two people. It wasn’t big until the next day.”

    ‘They were surrounding me and pushing me and spitting on me and swinging at me.’Syiaah Skylit, transgender woman in California prison

    By then, a fictional narrative had taken shape: In those few moments inside the porta-potty, Skylit had committed rape, while Calvin stood guard. To be clear, prison officials never accused her of rape or sexual assault. The girlfriend told them — and KQED — that it never happened. Still, the rumors proved to be Skylit’s undoing.

    That next day, according to Skylit and five witnesses, as she was returning from a mental health appointment, she was roughed up on the yard by 12 to 15 incarcerated people who called her “nothing but a rapist.”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,114 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    That’s just the defence’s version. Interesting to see that the old habit of disbelieving the female victim in a rape case, and feeling sorry for the accused instead, is still alive and kicking.

    "If a woman cannot stand in a public space and say, without fear of consequences, that men cannot be women, then women have no rights at all." Helen Joyce



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,337 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    There wasn't a victim, which is the point.

    I'd be mortified if I posted that to be honest.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,019 ✭✭✭OscarMIlde


    There was a sworn declaration by the woman regarding the rape to a lawyer. While I'm sure the complaint needs to be investigated to be verified, declaring it as a rumour or fictional narrative as that piece did is gaslighting.

    And to quote Christine Keeler Well he would, wouldn't he?". While the rape isn't proven, I'm not certain why you are Carte Blanche believing someone accused of rape over the accuser.

    “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.”


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,337 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    There was a sworn declaration by the woman claiming to be raped to a lawyer

    No there wasn't.

    Listen it's not up to me to fact check Bullshít, it should be up to the person before they share ideally.

    Personally I always thought it would be a good policy for Boards.ie in general, but that is for another thread.



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    MOD NOTE: Topic is about Graham Linehan, there are other threads open across the site in relation to Transgender people.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,114 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    ”I didnt do anything” is a typical defence though. That you chose to believe it while the case is not yet concluded is… interesting. So much for “Believe her”.

    Are you equally sceptical about the other incidents in that article? There were four women mentioned:

    four female inmates who all stated they had been victimized by trans-identified male transfers. The named plaintiffs in the case are Janine Chandler, Krystal Gonzales, Tomiekia Johnson, and Nadia Romero. 

    Not to mention a different article about a different state. All lies in your opinion?

    "If a woman cannot stand in a public space and say, without fear of consequences, that men cannot be women, then women have no rights at all." Helen Joyce



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,337 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    There was no crime, therefore no victim.

    Read the link.

    Again, fact checking what you share is your job not mine.

    Edit: Just saw Mod warning.

    I'm out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,040 ✭✭✭greyday


    And that mindset I believe is a huge contributor to such low sexual abuse cases ending up in convictions in Ireland, he said he didnt do it so he didnt, my god!!!!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,309 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    Linehan was arrested on foot of a complaint about a joke he posted online, that fact should worry anyone concerned about personal liberty being needlessly encroached upon.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,337 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Nah. I don't think anyone not fear mongering and spreading hate should be concerned at all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,309 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,445 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    He called for someone to be assaulted. It was reasonable grounds for arrest. The constant rewriting of events is not convincing.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,337 ✭✭✭✭Boggles




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,019 ✭✭✭OscarMIlde


    First they came for the Communists

    And I did not speak out

    Because I was not a Communist

    Then they came for the Socialists

    And I did not speak out

    Because I was not a Socialist

    Then they came for the trade unionists

    And I did not speak out

    Because I was not a trade unionist

    Then they came for the Jews

    And I did not speak out

    Because I was not a Jew

    Then they came for me

    And there was no one left

    To speak out for me

    In the judgement regarding the harassment charge being dropped, the judge noted similar online conduct towards Parker Posey and others by Sophia. In a different political climate the harassment charges could have been levelled at Sophia rather than Graham.

    We should all be concerned about potential for judicial overreach for political purposes. To my mind both of them say despicable things online and people should be free to call it out but this does is not at the level of a criminal harassment charge.

    “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.”


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,019 ✭✭✭OscarMIlde


    Do you feel Sophia's remarks about Parker Posey would be reasonable grounds for arrest?

    “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.”


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,337 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    First they came for the trans people

    And I did not speak out

    Because I was not trans



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,445 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Do you honestly think it's appropriate to paste that poem here just because a transphobe was criticised?

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,152 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Not to mention the fact that Linehan is lobbing around accusations of anti semitism. He's actively getting to destroy a career on baseless grounds but it's being sidestepped.



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