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Ireland Team Talk XII: Farrell's First Fifteen

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,763 ✭✭✭ersatz


    D’arcy was another fine player but the best 12 in the 4N throughout his career? Not sure that’s true, if so then it’s inexplicable that he didn’t cap more for the Lions given that the undisputed 1st choice 13 for 3 of those tours was his centre partner for Ireland. IIRC he was up against the likes of Davies, Davidson, Roberts, Flutey and peak Tuilagi. He certainly belongs in the conversation but it’s hard to argue that he was the standout best over those years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,399 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    Doak miles ahead of Casey IMO



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,707 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    I think Murphy has an argument to make too tbh. I hope he gets a run in coming international window.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,199 ✭✭✭KaneToad


    I have been saying it for a long time that Casey is very overrated. Punters like him because of his stature & his feistiness. But his rugby ability is not international test level.

    He has a lovely pass but his decision making is questionable. SH has to be one of the best decision makers on the pitch.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,364 ✭✭✭Stanley 1


    Munster did not want Casey around the fringes of rucks/mauls they were losing, he is sent out to defend beside OC as the opp/Conn are targeting him, he is regularly swatted away if he is near ruck/maul.

    He scored tonight but the gap opened like the Red Sea, personally prefer the kid, Donovan, bigger physically.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,010 ✭✭✭For Petes Sake


    Casey is very reliant on Crowley to run the show, but for Ireland a lot of the control of the backline comes from 9, which Casey just doesn't have.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 43,002 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    I don't know if any of you have watched Connacht the last month or so but Cian Prendergast has gone to another level. He's been fantastic, on the verge of surreal.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 896 ✭✭✭darkened_scrum


    In terms of the backrow though last night, look at what he was up against. He was excellent but also need to see more of him against higher quality opposition. Hopefully Connacht make the Champions Cup next season.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 43,002 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    He was the same against the Stormers and Lions in South Africa.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 896 ✭✭✭darkened_scrum


    Yeah fair enough. Stormers was a statement win. He also started against France in the 6N and didn't look like a standout.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,013 ✭✭✭almostover


    The whole team was crap in Paris and he paid the price. He wasn't bad but Farrell had to weird the axe. He should get plenty of game time in the summer series to play himself back into contention.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 43,002 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    That's before this sudden improvement happened. He's gone to a different level in the last six or so weeks. Looks like a completely different player. He's very hard to stop now, making huge runs a lot. His defense is incredible and if he's not scoring a try he's on the back of the lad trying to get over. He's all around the pitch and involved an awful lot. He's putting in a massive effort every game and playing the full 80.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,707 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    He's been excellent, a menace on the deck and very good as a jumper.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,377 ✭✭✭bingobango12


    Wales have named an extended squad for their summer games today. I wonder will we see a training squad named soon by Farrell.

    With Baird on crutches, a rumour going around that Beirnes knee injury is quite bad and he will miss the summer and Edogbo in a sling after the weekend, the make up of 4/5/6/8 will be interesting.

    There are plenty of options in the backrow with Conan, VDF, Doris, Soroka, Prendergast, Jansen, Izzy, Timoney, B Ward all playing well and will be in with a shout. A lot less at 2nd row. Ryan and Joe McC are guarantees and D Murray I presume will be there. Do they look at maybe Harry Sheridan? Or play Izzy as a 2nd row? Can’t think of too many other legitimate options really.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,399 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    Apparently Beirne was spotted out in Dublin over weekend and had his knee in a brace



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,707 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    Mangan could be worth a shout too, been impressed with his showings lately. Izzy and Prendergast should definitely see some solid game time. Bryn Ward and Tierney-Martin could be good bets too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,054 ✭✭✭Zeugnis


    Supporters can tend towards hyperbole when they're team is doing well, but in this case i think it's true that Prendergast has gone through a phase change in his performances.

    At the beginning of the season the crowd of pretenders for the 6 jersey looked quite congested: Aherne, Izzy, Baird, Prendergast. Cian has shown the first two a clean pair of heels and Baird has been crocked since a good showing in the Autumn series.

    Soroka has looked good and progressed, he'll be a contender after the next RWC.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,462 ✭✭✭FtD v2


    Probably going to be an Irish squad announced in the next few weeks for the Nations Series games. Tried to have a look at a current best 23 of uncapped players (in my opinion):

    Player

    Club

    15. Harry West

    Connacht

    14. Josh Kenny

    Leinster

    13. Dan Kelly

    Munster

    12. Jude Postlethwaite

    Ulster

    11. Zac Ward

    Ulster

    10. Jack Murphy

    Ulster

    9. Matthew Devine

    Connacht / Ulster

    1. Billy Bohan

    Connacht

    2. Diarmuid Barron

    Munster

    3. Scott Wilson

    Ulster

    4. Charlie Irvine

    Ulster

    5. Diarmuid Mangan

    Leinster

    6. James McNabney

    Ulster

    7. Bryn Ward

    Ulster

    8. Sean Jansen

    Connacht

    16. Dylan Tierney Martin

    Connacht

    17. Alex Usanov

    Leinster

    18. Sam Illo

    Connacht

    19. Harry Sheridan

    Ulster

    20. Brian Gleeson

    Munster

    21. Fintan Gunne

    Leinster

    22. Sean Naughton

    Connacht

    23. Cathal Forde

    Connacht

    We're relatively deep in some positions: both THPs here look like having full international potential, the back row options all look good (and Ward & Jansen could well be capped this summer IMO), and we've got some good young centres coming through.

    Other positions are weaker: the two hookers included here are unlikely to ever be capped, but it's a position Ireland are relatively deep in.

    Some guys were lucky to make the 23, and I'd say Brian Gleeson & Fintan Gunne are in more for their potential and what they showed as U20s rather than what they've delivered as senior players.

    Unlucky to miss out: Alex Soroka, David McCann.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 51 ✭✭Lancey Howard


    You are obviously a Scott Wilson fan 🙂. Sam Illo?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,438 ✭✭✭Jump_In_Jack




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,462 ✭✭✭FtD v2




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,462 ✭✭✭FtD v2


    Similar, but slightly different, I also picked our best possible 23 of players aged 25 or younger right now, and it's a relatively promising selection too IMO:

    Player

    Team

    15. Jamie Osborne*

    Leinster

    14. Josh Kenny

    Leinster

    13. Dan Kelly

    Munster

    12. Jude Postlethwaite

    Ulster

    11. Shayne Bolton*

    Connacht

    10. Sam Prendergast*

    Leinster

    9. Nathan Doak*

    Ulster

    1. Paddy McCarthy*

    Leinster

    2. Tom Stewart*

    Ulster

    3. Scott Wilson

    Ulster

    4. Darragh Murray*

    Connacht

    5. Joe McCarthy*

    Leinster

    6. James McNabney

    Ulster

    7. Bryn Ward

    Ulster

    8. Brian Gleeson

    Munster

    16. Gus McCarthy*

    Leinster

    17. Jack Boyle*

    Leinster

    18. Sam Illo

    Connacht

    19. Edwin Edogbo*

    Munster

    20. Alex Kendellen*

    Munster

    21. Ben Murphy*

    Connacht

    22. Jack Murphy

    Ulster

    23. Cathal Forde

    Connacht

    *already capped at senior level

    A pretty strong selection I think, with notable depth at lock (three really good young players), and LHP where Billy Bohan doesn't make this side despite having huge potential. Centre another area with lots of quality young depth IMO, and some really promising players coming through in the back row.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,054 ✭✭✭Zeugnis


    You've named McNabney at 6 in both selections, a player I haven't paid much attention to but will keep an eye on now.

    My suspicion is that Billy Bohan is going to leapfrog Jack Boyle who is not predicted to return until early 2027 - that's a long time to be out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,691 ✭✭✭P.Walnuts


    Is McNaby back fit?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,462 ✭✭✭FtD v2


    Yeah, I think he looked exceptional last season, and probably was capped last summer if he didn't do his ACL in international camp. It's always an if with a player coming back from that type of injury to see if they can maintain their athleticism etc, but that seems less a concern nowadays.

    He won't be back till next season from what I know of him, but he brings elite size to the back row (6ft 5ins, c. 118kg), quickness, power, and handling. He played over 1,100 mins for Ulster last season as a 22-year-old. I'd be very high on his potential (and it's a position with lots of talented players - Alex Soroka, Dave McCann, Ruadhan Quinn, James Culhane, Sean Edogbo etc).

    I think you could be right on Bohan too - he is only going to get better and better IMO.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,327 ✭✭✭TRC10


    Cathal Forde needs to be in any uncapped XV at 12. I know I’ve been banging his drum before but I rate him highly and have no idea how he hasn’t been capped by now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,462 ✭✭✭FtD v2


    Yeah, he's excellent, I just rate Jude Postlethwaite a bit higher. You could just as easily pick Postlethwaite at 13 (or Forde at 13) and put Kelly in the 23 shirt.

    There are a good few good young options coming through in the centres, including guys I haven't mentioned here like: Hugh Gavin, Hugh Cooney, Harry West (as a 13), Ben Carson, Charlie Tector and then of course Jamie Osborne is still only 24 as well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 362 ✭✭big-al


    Darcy had huge limitations, especially regarding his defence and lack of size.


    he was not better than Jamie Roberts 2009- onwards and certainly wasn’t better than Will Greenwood.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 43,002 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Did Greenwood win Six Nations player of the year?

    I remember a while back that people disagreed with me when I said that D'Arcy never gets the recognition he deserves. He's close to, if not, the most underrated Irish player ever.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,327 ✭✭✭TRC10


    In an uncapped XV I’d have Forde 12, Jude 13. Both have been doing the business consistently for a number of years now. Kelly is decent but he was in the English system for years and they were never really interested in him (1 cap v Canada during a Lions summer). Easy to forget Gavin actually got capped v Portugal last year and scored 2 tries. He probably hasn’t kicked on as we hoped he would since then.

    I think Tector is really underrated personally. With Reiko leaving, I think Osborne will be used at 13 more next season, which opens the door for Tector to get more game time at 12. Cooney still has a lot to prove. West has looked good, but very early days for him.



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