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2026 Galway West By Election

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,466 ✭✭✭1641


    The Sunday Indo is reporting a SF claim that Lohan is in third place for first preferences in their own "internal poll":

    "Sinn Féin believes internal polling shows the party is firmly in the hunt for the Galway West by-election seat. A poll commissioned by the party shows its candidate, Mark Lohan, ahead of Labour in the contest to fill the seat vacated by Catherine Connolly. It puts Lohan on 12pc, four points ahead of Labour's Helen Ogbu…….

    …According to the Sinn Féin poll, Mr Lohan's 12pc still leaves him some distance behind the two frontrunners, Fine Gael senator Seán Kyne (18pc) and Independent Ireland councillor Noel Thomas (14pc). It also suggests Labour's Ogbu is tied with Social Democrats candidate Míde Nic Fhionnlaoich on 8pc."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,156 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Yeah but I'd bet transfers from whichever or Labour or Soc Dems goes out first pushes the other ahead of him…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 158 ✭✭GippyGup


    Exactly. Not the argument they should be making really but Irish politics doesn't do data well.

    The truth is either of Ogbu, Nic Fhionnlaoich, or Lohan can finish ahead of each other depending on how it plays out. But which of those could actually go on to win? My instincts remain only Nic Fhionnlaoich can catch the leading right candidate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,156 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    If the last two are her and Thomas she'll certainly be in with a fighting chance. Between her and Kyne I don't know because I have no real idea what way Thomas's transfers would go…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 158 ✭✭GippyGup


    True, uncertainty still but I'd guess Ogbu loses both scenarios, Lohan loses the scenario where Kyne gets eliminated and probably loses the one where Thomas gets eliminated too. Only Nic Fhionnlaoich has the chance to appeal both to urban Fine Gael voters and rural Gaeltacht voters



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,466 ✭✭✭1641


    I think the only reason they are reporting it is because of how poorly Lohan came out in the TG4 poll. They are trying to position him as best placed on "the left" (as they opportunistically like to position themselves). They are hoping it will persuade Ogbu/Nic Fhionnlaoich voters to switch to them.

    If they didn't see it as advantageous in some way there is no way they would be releasing the results.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,922 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    I think Kyne will be very hard to catch based on those figures. It's a weak enough field and he is the only form horse. FG have a big older vote and tend to get it out. I should have backed him when he was 8/1+

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,156 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    probably loses the one where Thomas gets eliminated too.

    Maybe there's an argument Lohan would be the strongest left candidate in a faceoff with Kyne because he would pick up the biggest chunk of Thomas's transfers? Would certainly be much weaker than Mide or Ogbu against Thomas though…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 158 ✭✭GippyGup


    I am sceptical of his transfer friendliness. A lot of opposition candidates and only one government candidate. I think he's catchable. All to play for.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,304 ✭✭✭✭zell12


    Eh, there's the FFer, the only one from that area of GW. and Welby, loosely associated with the Regional indos



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,009 ✭✭✭Dr Robert


    Polls are grossly misleading. Sinn Féin must have had two or three general elections in the bag if you believed them 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,304 ✭✭✭✭zell12




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,590 ✭✭✭what_traffic


    I think that was to let former TD Eamon O Cuiv know that this FF fella actually exists



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 158 ✭✭GippyGup


    Salthill Knocknacarra GAA has issued a pretty scathing statement about Noel Thomas' objection to their Mincloon development. An influential/connected enemy to make a fortnight out from an election.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,009 ✭✭✭Dr Robert




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,522 ✭✭✭Unrealistic


    Because he takes the view that the people in Mincloon, Corcullen, etc. are more likely to be persuaded to support him if he takes their side, while the people in Salthill and Knocknacarra are unlikely to vote for him no matter what he does.  



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 158 ✭✭GippyGup


    Which is a good approach in a general election and a riding to nothing in a by election when he'll need Sean Kyne's transfers if he wants to win



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29 PL2015


    Interesting numbers, I did think Kyne would top the poll at the outset but was not sure how much the fuel protests would have damaged him and considering FG got 18.8% last time, 17% seems strong but I wouldn't be surprised if it was a couple points lower. The high number for second preferences must be FF voters although if that was the case you would expect a similar figure for Keane or perhaps due to Kyne having a favourable geographical base?

    Thomas on 16% seems reasonable considering he got 9.4% last time but that 7% second pref figure does stand out however he is still firmly in contention.

    Labour with Helen Ogbu on 12% is obviously the massive surprise, I'm not surprised that Labour polled ahead of the Soc Dems but I was convinced SF would be leading the way of the left parties on first preferences but Lohan on just 7% is poor compared to 13.5% in the GE for Farrell, Ogbu got 3.3% last time and Soc Dems got 3.6% so big jump likely for them with Nic Fhionnlaoich at 9%. The Greens at 6% with Niall Murphy seems high considering former Sen. Pauline O'Reilly only got 3% last time while Sheila Garrity is not at the races with only 3%. However, on those numbers surely one of Lab or Soc Dems will get sufficient transfers from the left candidates to surpass one of Kyne or Thomas and make it to the final count.

    Poor poll for FF with Cillian Keane, 8% is less than half of the 16.8% from the GE but I think he might get closer to 10% on the day but not in contention. Mike Cubbard at 7% and Thomas Welby at 6% are noteworthy figures, especially Welby's 14% second pref (would they favour Kyne or Thomas?).

    Really I think the three most plausible scenarios are that Kyne, Thomas, and Ogbu/Nic Fhionnlaoich are the final 3 candidates remaining.

    1. If Kyne gets eliminated first, does his transfers favour Thomas or Ogbu/Nic Fhionnlaoich (could be an urban/rural divide there, FG and Lab used to transfer decently to each and could see their more middle class urban voters transferring left but their more rural voters going with Thomas)
    2. If Thomas gets eliminated first, does his transfers favour Kyne or Ogbu/Nic Fhionnlaoich (presumably Kyne unless some people just vote anyone but FFG)
    3. If Ogbu/Nic Fhionnaoich gets eliminated first, does her transfers favour Kyne or Thomas (again you would think Kyne but some people may just vote anyone except FFG).

    Obviously a lot of other transfers before then with the likes of SF, GP, and Garrity expected to help Ogbu and Nic Fhionnlaoich, FF to boost Kyne, and possibly Welby to support Thomas while Cubbard's will go everywhere.

    Dublin Central poll this Thursday at 7pm I believe. SF will need a decent lead over Soc Dems to make it competitive while FF not getting above 10% in either by-election could cause more problems for Martin.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,922 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Good analysis. Welby is actively telling people to give #2 to Kyne. Orders from Grealish as support for the government and his ministerial pension.

    I am not sure the left alliance will be as organised as people expect. I believe Kyne will win based on the FFG support across the constituency.

    A poor self serving politician who was rejected by Galway West after one term could get very lucky.

    Post edited by Cluedo Monopoly on

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,611 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    Sitting in the middle of the political spectrum, while holding onto at least second place is a route to winning the seat for Kyne.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 574 ✭✭✭Mr_A


    Ditch publishes some allegations about Sean Kyne:

    "Seán Kyne is the senator alleged to have blackmailed and harassed the former Inland Fisheries Ireland CEO"

    https://www.ontheditch.com/fine-gael-byelection-candidate-sean-kyne/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,611 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    Looks like Kyne was concerned about nepotism or some other nefarious appointment system in the Inland Fisheries Board, and was raising it in the Seanad, hardly blackmail if a Senator raises something in public.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,009 ✭✭✭Dr Robert


    That looks like a website put together by a toddler.

    Someone must be desperate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,156 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    1. If Ogbu/Nic Fhionnaoich gets eliminated first, does her transfers favour Kyne or Thomas (again you would think Kyne but some people may just vote anyone except FFG).

    Surely massively Kyne if voters are any way rational. If Kyne and Thomas are the last two I expect the former to romp home



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 158 ✭✭GippyGup


    I still strongly believe that scenario won't arise. The left votes will be enough to get one of the left candidates into the final two. Their transfers won't be up for grabs for Kyne or Thomas



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,590 ✭✭✭what_traffic


    I think the same - the SF transfer is what I would be looking at here though. I believe it will go towards the RIGHT i.e Thomas than Left. But if SF have a very low first pref it may not be a factor at all but would confirm that SF not a "real" left transfer party in Galway West for the next General Election.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,611 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    That will probably be the most interesting aspect of both by-elections - to what extent will "transfer left" actually happen?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,590 ✭✭✭what_traffic


    I think it will in Galway WEST there will be strong transfers between GF/SD/LAB and the Independent Candidate's like Garrity and Cubbard; but SF is the BLACK Sheep.

    Welby and Keane will transfer to Kyne over Thomas



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,304 ✭✭✭✭zell12


    GBFM have a live debate broadcast from Galmont 1800-2000 Mon 18th

    limited audience, email comments@galwaybayfm.ie with DEBATE AUDIENCE in the subject field today



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,304 ✭✭✭✭zell12


    Radio1 had a live debate with some candidates there in Galway. Voxpops and another debate coming. Podcast later https://www.rte.ie/radio/radio1/drivetime/



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