US/Israel conduct airstrikes on Iran again

Not in this thread, only America and Israel.

TThe execution of 165 school girls by the USA/ Israel got a lot of press. The Guardian used to be a paper or so I thought....

Can you explain how you pulled that from what I said?

It's gone up a bit since that article was published

https://www.reuters.com/sustainability/boards-policy-regulation/oil-price-bets-ahead-iran-war-news-totalled-7-billion-reporting-shows-2026-05-07/

Conflicting reports from the region counter yesterdays WSJ story about SA lifting airspace restrictions.

I'm inclined to agree with sources in the region.

And the who the hell is going to do UAEs fighting? Only 12% of residents aren't transient, so is their fighting power just aging mercenaries who stayed in the region after the Iraq war?

I wonder how many of the 36,000 Iran executed at the start of the year were real.

And the regime appears to be no closer to crumbling, either from internal or external pressure.

There's no liberators coming. Israel and the US attacked Iran for their own expansionist or selfish aims.
Iranian civilians are either pawns to them, or targets.

So who cares and what can they do about it? Send thoughts and prayers?

And how many starved civilians will that take? That still puts Iranian civilians somewhere between pawns and targets.

There's a lot of "collapse" in a regime, especially a repressive one such as Iran.

And if it did collapse, it is clear so the fate of Iranian civilians will be neither here nor here and any 'deal' will be entirely driven by the selfish interests of US and Israel.

What would the cheering be if Israel collapsed?

Do you think Iran would collapse neatly or would it be some awful combination of Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan played out with horrific consequences for the people of Iran itself?

And that doesn't answer the question put to you:
So who cares and what can they do about it? Send thoughts and prayers?

What are the actions that can be taken to benefit Iranian civilians into the short and long term?
Because just stirring up the hornet's nest and walking away from the mess ain't cutting it.

Yeah, the kind of Iraqi people interviewed by the BBC said similar pre 2003.
What would they say now? How many are still alive?
Of course it can get much much worse. And the second Iraq war wasn't planned by an openly corrupt incompetent US administration, tried to involve allies, leverage experience of the first war, liaise with Iraqi opponents of Saddam.
None of that applies to Trump and Iran.

"Without him it would be worse as you serfs can't run yourself without being abused."
Nowhere did I write that. It's a total strawman and you know it.
This is what I asked you:
Do you think Iran would collapse neatly or would it be some awful combination of Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan played out with horrific consequences for the people of Iran itself?

That you can't answer the question without a strawman says it all.
If you think those 'horrific consequences' and potential bloodbath would be worth it in the long run, say so. But don't pretend it is not a possible scenario.
And the casualties would dwarf whatever is the actual figure for protestors executed by the regime.
There's no guarantees what regime would resurface after it, any more than there was in Afghanistan or Vietnam when the US left.

Why don't they hold a referendum? You know why they don't hold a referendum just as you know why Putin doesn't hold free and fair elections. It's fantasy nonsense and you know it.
So you've no realistic suggestions then.

Iraq was doing economically quite well in last few years until now that Iran decided to attack them and blockade their exports

Iraqi Kurds practically have their own state now too with standard of living several times better than Iranian Kurds on the other side of border, a society where women are not second class citizens

Your argument boils down to “them Iranians are savages and deserve to be kept under the boots of the mullahs as otherwise they turn to barbarism” which is bizzare at best insulting at worst and spits on the face of what we are told is a “8000 year old civilisation that is better than their Arab neighbours”

Why can’t the Iranians hold a referendum where they can vote on the future they might want for themselves?

let them stew another 47 years under the mullahs so

We might endup with another North Korea, wouldn’t that be great altogether /s

like North Korea they can sell their population into slavery then and extort their neighbours with nuclear weapons

Now that Iran destroyed it’s relationship with every neighbour including the ones they needed to bypass sanctions and launder money it’s only gonna get worse economically

And there is a neat answer, hold a democratic referendum on the constitutional future of the “republic” administered by UN or its neighbours, but of course the regime doesn’t want the people of Iran to determine their own futures, and the Left here in the west is quite fine with that

Both things could be and are true

Both Trump/Elon etc can be deplorable turds

And the Iranian regime cruel to its serfs and dangerous to all it’s neighbours

Only cretins and simpletons view the world in binary good guys vs bad guys terms, just because Trump is a 💩 doesn’t make the mullahs saints or correct, especially with so many reports of deaths coming out despite all their attempts to suppress communications

I've been hearing that they're near collapse since 1979.

BTW, Iran never actually regained the level of oil exports of the late 1970s. One the stories of the Shahs excesses was how his wife flew back to Iran after three in Paris with another cargo plane behind her for her purchases, which included the cut marble lining for a swimming pool.