M11/N11 - M50 (J4) to Coyne's Cross (J14) [options published]

Bus lane with revised junctions, minor rd access closures and off line link roads would go a long way to reducing the strains on the smooth running of the road.

A "full upgrade" of the road would require all those things plus more upheaval and disruption so the objections to that are going to be even greater in terms of quantity and ferocity.

Well if they keep building at the rate they are, and if the sea keeps taking the Murrough at the rate iit is, then its a matter of when, not if, a full upgrade is needed, no matter how much pain it causes during the duration of the project.

Watered down to no end and not a hope of completion this side of 2030, what an absolute joke.

According to the Danny Alvey cllr. on the local Kilpedder Facebook page, there are plans in motion to close the n11 nb access to Kilpedder at the Kilpedder Inn to all traffic except buses and cyclists. Also in the plan is is to close the n11 access at Drummin completely and to remove the one way road from Glen of the Downs back up to Willow Grove. The proposals also include new cycle route from Kilpedder Inn to the Glen of the Downs, utilising the discontinued one way road, therefore making a safer route for cyclists and allowing them avoid the busy jn11 and Barry's bridge slips.

A joint walking and cycle path would be a great addition.

But really what is needed, is more offline link roads to remove local traffic from joining and leaving the n11 after one junction. Baby steps and all that though.

Descoped after massive local opposition, taken up by politicians of all hues.

Without enforcement, bus access will still mean junction surfing. Plenty of "no lefts" & "local access only" routinely ignored northbound.

the main reason for the two junctions you mentions is to give access to Delgany particularly for the L1 bus. One of the last shelved plans proposed a fly over at Drummin to allow east West travel and a link rroad back to jn11 allowing the closure of jn10 and those tight slips you mention . This was shelved thanks in part to Simon Harris getting involved on behalf of local residents.

I think Kilpedder thing in it's current format is extremely shortsighted, as solving any rat run issues on that side of the N11 is going compound issues, which are arguably more dangerous on the other side, particularly around that left in, left out J10.5ish junction.

It's not ideal if you're coming straight out of there and planning to come off again immediately at J11 to get to Kilpedder, as can be hairy getting up to speed to join the traffic and then slowing down again to exit, particularly when traffic exiting the Glen is intending to turn at J11.

Closing the one way option above Barry's bridge is now going to funnel all the traffic from Delgany heading to Kilpedder out that dodgy junction making it even more dangerous.

There was an old proposal pre 2010, well before the flyover chat, of extending the R762 via Drummin Lane to meet the Southern access road. They should take another look at that to fix these issues once and for all rather than playing whack a mole.

Junction 10 through 11 is a shitshow, extending r762 would enable them to close once and for all J10.5, improve or eliminate J10 southbound, eliminate the lethal J10 northbound, and improve or eliminate J11 southbound. And also eliminate the jump on/jump off local traffic between 10 and 11.

I live reasonably near by and have walked that lane a number of times so am familiar with width and gate etc. Obviously the proposal I am suggesting involves widening it and removing the gate - hence why the red bit is problematic, that is most difficult point to widen given the impact of residents who face on to it.

Also familiar with the flyover plan which is essentially the alternative solution to solve exactly the same problem widening this lane does - close of J10 north and south, closure of J10.5 at Drummin and improved safety at J11 south.

Problem I see with the flyover is it is a big in your face solution that will only ever be considered as a small part of a massive project eg J6 - J14 widening to motorway status. All evidence to date given the reaction when they did that consultation and route selection process is that it will never get off the ground. Residents in Delgany will mobilise en masse against it, give Simon Harris a pain in his hole, and he'll kick it to touch. This is exactly what happened last time.

Over and above the local residents worried about journey times, the big project and the flyover will attract objections from further afield given the visual impact etc, partlcularly so close to the Glen. The views from the top of the Glen southbound are supposed to be protected for example.

The direct impact is also higher as they will still need to CPO a fair bit of land on both the Drummin and Willow Grove sides of the N11 to accommodate the flyover, and that's likely to be significantly more confrontational than the smaller amount of land required for the proposal above.

I just think it will never happen, even if in the unlikely event eventually the combined ministers, TDs and councillors have the balls to try to push it through it will get bogged down in objections and legals for years.

If the end goal is to improve safety and traffic on the N11 by closing J10 north and south, closure of J10.5 at Drummin and improved safety at J11 south, the quickest way of doing it is via extending the R762 via Drummin Lane and introduce the end goal incrementally.

If they start off from the position that they're doing it simply to close J10.5 they will face very little local opposition, other than those directly affected by CPOs and the road alteration - i.e 3 - 6 households.

Once the road is in place and J10.5 is closed which immediately improves safety and J11 southbound, and people have used both sides of it and realised that it is actually safer coming off at J11 northbound to access Delgany rather than J10 and it might add 45 seconds to their journey, they can close J10 northbound to very little opposition. Once J10 northbound is shut the old Downs Road/Barrys bridge route can be used as a two way local road connecting Delgany and Kilpedder.

Once people are used to accessing Delgany from the south via J11 northbound instead of J10 northbound, they can shut J10 southbound and people will simply accept they have to add 90 seconds or so to their journey by using J11 southbound. Again there would be very little opposition.

All of the above could be acheived within 5 years - or to put it another way it could be in place by now if they taken this approach back in 2020 when they shelved the big j6 - J14 project.

If people are pinning their hopes on the flyover being the solution to these problems we'll having the same conversations in 15 years time.