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Leinster Team Talk Thread (Love you Furlong time)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,755 ✭✭✭ersatz


    Yes, bit they didn't play like a team that is stacked with game breaking players. Bath stupidly handed them tries on a plate by making mistakes and poorly executed kicks. They defended well against a very one dimensional Bath team. BB scored a nice try but was fairly quiet by his standards, as was Penaud.They just looked less that the sum of their parts to me and I can see why everything isn't going their way domestically. Anyway, Leinster's defense on its day should keep their opportunities to a minimum.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,564 ✭✭✭Traumadoc


    When are they coming , do you have any predictions on the score?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,456 ✭✭✭FtD v2


    No, they're not going to do that.

    Ciaran Frawley hasn't started a game at 10 for us all season - there is no way they're going to hand the reins to him now at the crunch point of the season.

    And what do you do if it goes badly (something there is a strong possibility of being the case)? Who do you turn to then?

    They're all flawed players, but Harry Byrne is our starting 10, we have to hope we can rebuild his confidence over the next couple of weeks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 891 ✭✭✭darkened_scrum


    Just have looked at the T14 table, Bordeaux are 17 points off the top and fighting to make the playoffs. They can't sack it off in the next two weeks. Interesting.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,376 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    Bordeaux were worthy winners, but Bath really undermined themselves throughout the game. Lineout success was just 73% and they flubbed at least two great set piece opportunities in the Bordeaux 22. They had 62% possession and 61% territory, but consistently failed to capitalize on the attacking ball they had. Bordeaux had to make over 180 tackles and Bath just 80. Russell had about his worst game in the last 5 years. He looked so flustered whenever he had the ball and made poor decision after poor decision.

    Defensively they were even worse. They successfully completed just 53% of their tackles. Just killed any chance they had of winning the game.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,878 ✭✭✭realhorrorshow


    Do you think his confidence needs rebuilding? He obviously made a good few errors at the weekend but I thought he kept playing and didn't retreat into himself, and most importantly Leinster won the game.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,456 ✭✭✭FtD v2


    Not hugely in all likelihood. I thought he played okay and defended okay with ball in hand, it was just virtually every time he kicked the ball (either from hand or from the tee) he got it wrong IMO. As I've said already though, there have been loads of days where he's gotten those pieces right, so I'm pretty confident he can back to that level.

    I would still want him to get at least 60 good minutes over the next two games though and hopefully kick well off the tee going into Bilbao.

    There's also the fact we need to win these next two games, and I also believe that right now he gives us the best chance of doing that.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,942 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    There's also the fact we need to win these next two games, and I also believe that right now he gives us the best chance of doing that.

    The last 2 rounds of the URC don't massively back that up...

    But I agree we need to win these and I can't see Frawley getting a start at 10 at this stage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,087 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    agreed, Bath were their own worst enemies.

    And if Toulouse hadn’t shot themselves in the foot with stupid cards when they were in front and looking pretty comfortable, I’m not sure Bordeaux would even have made the semi



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,988 ✭✭✭ionadnapóca


    I agree BB pack are good. The Bath pack is inferior to Leinster (excl du Toit), but more importantly as a collective.

    The 4 tries scored v Toulon all came off Forward dominance.

    IF Leinster are going to beat BB ALL of:

    Porter, McCarthy, Ryan, Doris, Conan, vdF and JGP will probably have to play 70+ mins.

    Lucu v JGP will be fascinating.

    My big concerns are the Nienaber defence trying to contain Jally-Bear & Billie-Barry and Leo's selections & substitutions.

    He might think its a good idea to drop vdF (& JR) again for this final.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,686 ✭✭✭P.Walnuts




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 891 ✭✭✭darkened_scrum


    There's a higher likelihood that I will start the final than James Ryan will be dropped.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,699 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    I'd much rather Gabriel or Tector start a game at 10 than Frawley. Can we stop beating that dead horse?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 891 ✭✭✭darkened_scrum


    Neither of them are going to feature in the final. Frawley probably will/should.

    We then have next season when Frawley isn't here anymore to move on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,699 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    True, but there's plenty of league games left to give them time in. Bottom line though, Frawley isn't a 10 and it's a waste of playing time having him there outside of an emergency.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 721 ✭✭✭Madeoface


    Yes, Byrne is the starter but I would not have Sam on the bench for Bilbao.

    Frawley would be my backup.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,755 ✭✭✭ersatz


    Problem is that Frawley hasn't played ten all season. Maybe he has done at training but I'd doubt he's seen much with the other two in front of him and Gabriel presumably seeing some time training too. So its a big risk to have him on the bench were Byrne to go down early, less risky maybe than SP going in there to be eaten alive, but at least with SP you've got a decent chance of him delivering some scores, whereas Frawley won't be in much of a position to do anything except ship ball and go into contact given he hasn't run the team. Anyway, tough call for Leo but a bed he made for himself.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,699 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if they shifted JGP to 10 if Bryne went down in that scenario.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,942 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Putting Frawley at 10 early doors would be infinitely worse than putting Prendergast there - and can we stop with the over the top language about him being eaten alive. He has played South Africa/LAR etc.

    The problem is that Frawley is orders of magnitude better at 12 or 15. So it depends what cover you have and what you want from your bench.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 891 ✭✭✭darkened_scrum


    I listened to the42 podcast this morning and while I generally find Jackman extremely tedious these days he made a good point that there are multiple configurations of the back line we could have used that were better than Sam ending up at fullback. He suggested Sam to 10, Harry to 12 and Osborne to the back 3 which I think would have been fine.

    I really hate that no matter what happens in a game these days the conversation seems to be about 75% about Sam. It even happens when he isn't playing. I obviously contribute to it as well but it's just so tedious at this point.

    Overall point is Sam clearly has his issues but he's just not being set up for success by the coaches. They have a lot of culpability here.



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,942 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    He suggested Sam to 10, Harry to 12 and Osborne to the back 3 which I think would have been fine.

    This seemed like the incredibly obvious thing to do and it baffles me that they didn't. I get that it is more adjustment, but Harry wasn't even having a particularly stellar game at 10 and Osborne hasn't been stellar at 12 of late.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,456 ✭✭✭FtD v2


    Or even easier - just put Luke McGrath out there. He's brave, committed, a technically excellent tackler and a good athlete. That cross field kick where Prendergast just goes across and kind of gently paws at Drean instead of hitting him, I'd have absolute confidence Luke McGrath would have knocked him 3 yards into touch.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 891 ✭✭✭darkened_scrum




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,057 ✭✭✭johnh6767


    Sam going on at 10 was absolutely the right call in my view for multiple reasons stated above. Luke would also have hurled him to the stands and we would have 7 points more cushion



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 891 ✭✭✭darkened_scrum


    This "eaten alive" stuff just does not manifest itself when he's playing at 10. One of his best games for Leinster was against La Rochelle earlier in the season (goal kicking aside) where he was right in the middle of the rough stuff and actually had some really important defensive plays. He's started again Ulster/McCloskey twice this season and hasn't been exploited.

    You'll have various liars pointing out he missed a tap tackle against France when the entire rest of the team were AWOL but that can be ignored.

    I cannot understand what the Leinster coaches are doing with him at the moment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,988 ✭✭✭ionadnapóca


    Nobody. Tongue in cheek: He picked Connors ahead of vdF & JJenkins ahead of JR for Toulouse final.

    Leo's most important job is to select the right starting team and make the correct substitutions.

    Toulon (SP into FB) yet another example of how Leo continues to make big errors in judgement.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,456 ✭✭✭FtD v2


    He mostly was playing at 15 against La Rochelle, but he did have a few really good moments defensively that day.

    He also had a great day defensively in the URC Final last year v Bulls, putting in one notable hit pretty early on which was possibly the best tackle I've ever seen him make.

    He is definitely better able to defend at 10 with the benefit of a defensive line and support from the 12 and the openside. He has never ever looked comfortable defending in space though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,988 ✭✭✭ionadnapóca


    The logical substitution (Or SP to 10). Leo doesn't rate Luke.

    He left him on the bench for entire game v Northampton.

    People may remember a certain JBarrett also warming the bench that day.

    Luke also sat on the bench for the entire 100min of that final v Toulouse.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,456 ✭✭✭FtD v2


    James Ryan got injured during the 6 Nations in 2024, he ruptured his bicep in training before R4 of the Championship. He didn't play any games from Feb 24th (6 Nations game v Wales) to May 18th (URC Round 17 v Ulster), and missed all of the European Cup knock outs up to the final through injury.

    He wasn't dropped for the final, and it's not a selection decision (IMO) that the coaches deserve criticism for.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,374 ✭✭✭bingobango12


    I assume the coaching team thought the game was wrapped up with being 18 points ahead when Sam came on and wanted to get minutes into him. Obviously it didn't pan out that way but that I'm sure was their thinking vs putting McGrath in. As above though, the obviously thing to do was to put him at 10 and shift Byrne and Osbourne. He has played 15 a couple of times this season but I am far more comfortable with Osbourne there.



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