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Meanwhile on the Roads...

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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 56,277 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    what are the bets they were trying to recreate this scene?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,392 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    Interesting that the State is looking for them to pay 10% of the costs. If people were forced to dip into their own pockets where certain prescribed activities are found to have been a cause in their RTA, maybe that might sharpen the general focus around those activities instead of essentially being bailed out by insurers who ultimately pass the costs onto the rest of us via premiums.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,455 ✭✭✭Dr_Colossus


    The neck on some people, guess the previous 91 convictions of which 8 were for no insurance weren't an impediment. The €500 fine is pathetic as it would cost the driver multiples of that if he had a valid license but at least he can mull his decisions in prison. Social welfare needs to be confiscated though as how is he being handed €450/w.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 56,277 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    i wonder if revenue's ears have perked up after that. as well as the department for social welfare.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 46,218 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Not sure if it could do with its own thread but CI have published their road safety report today.

    Key findings from the February 2026 report include:

    Routine Danger: 53.1% of respondents experience a "close pass" (a vehicle passing dangerously close) on most of their rides.

    High Incident Rates: More than half (51.5%) of cyclists surveyed reported a collision or a serious near miss within the last 12 months.

    Escalating Fear: 55.5% of respondents believe roads have become more dangerous year-on-year.

    Infrastructure Failure: 65.3% rate current cycling infrastructure as "poor," "very poor," or "non-existent".

    Reporting Gap: Only 11.2% of incidents are reported to An Garda Síochána or the PSNI, with nearly 44% of those who do report expressing dissatisfaction with the outcome.

    Cycling Ireland Road Safety Report

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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 56,277 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    my wife said 'you're really not selling this cycling lark well' to me yesterday after i was telling her about two incidents i'd witnessed on my 45km cycle.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 46,218 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    I've stopped saying anything at home since I was edged off the road last year (not that I ever heard anything back from AGS after reporting it)

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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 46,218 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Given the comment quoted from the reviewing HC Judge, it looks like the original judges decision in dismissing speeding cases will be overruled...

    https://www.irishtimes.com/crime-law/courts/2026/04/23/judges-refusal-to-convict-more-than-30-drivers-of-speeding-offences-challenged-by-dpp/

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 290 ✭✭khamilton


    I had a look at that stretch on streetview and its a perfectly normal stretch of road that slowly graduates from 100, to 80, to 60, to 50. That's normal around ireland, albeit how many hundreds of metres each graduation is will differ.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 525 ✭✭✭elchupanebrey


    Surely the motivation to obey the speed limit, if you wouldn't otherwise, is the fear of getting done by a van you won't spot in time. Having it visible way off in the distance is a waste of time. Poor motorists again



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 27,054 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    He is right about registered post, but dismissing a case because a gosafe van driver couldn't appear is ludicrous and is now likely to be used by solicitors for every one who is about to lose their license. The court should be accepting the report as stated and insisting an operator turn up is some the judge should not have used to throw a case out.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 46,218 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    It is interesting that the RSA were out the day after Cycling Ireland released their survey and saying how Ireland wasn't too bad for cycling because "Ireland has a relatively low cyclist mortality rate compared to many EU countries" ignoring the fact that the rate is quite skewed due to most not cycling because of the risks or the perception of risk.

    Can Ginty also has an article on IrishCycle.com about the RSA patting themselves on the back.

    https://irishcycle.com/2026/04/24/its-like-saying-very-few-people-drown-in-our-shark-infested-swimming-pool-rsa-called-out-on-flawed-comparison-to-the-netherlands/

    https://www.rsa.ie/news-events/news/details/2026/04/24/cyclist-safety-gap-widening-in-europe-as-ireland-sees-rising-serious-injuries

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,590 ✭✭✭what_traffic


    RSA are so discredited at this stage does anybody take notice of them in the body politic anymore?

    Great comment in the irishcycle.com artice
    "

    Also, our number of World Cup winners per million is exactly the same as in the Netherlands, so our soccer team must be doing something right!

    "



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 46,218 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    RSA are so discredited at this stage does anybody take notice of them in the body politic anymore?

    The government and TDs will reference them when convenient so if the RSA are gaslighted the public with bullsh1t facts, they can easily become accepted as normal - kind of like the whole hi-viz victim blaming crap that they persist with

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,304 ✭✭✭✭zell12


    Do RTE proof read at all? Is the road ok after crashing? https://www.rte.ie/news/ulster/2026/0426/1570280-lisburn-collision/



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 56,277 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    the headline on the article when you click through has been updated, but oddly, if you link to it, it still uses the text seen in your post.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,455 ✭✭✭Dr_Colossus


    So you can buy your way out of 10 months in jail for €5k but why was the 5 year driving ban lifted?

    https://irishcycle.com/2026/04/29/jail-term-overturned-ban-lifted-for-driver-who-assaulted-64-year-old-cyclist-in-road-rage-attack/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,986 ✭✭✭blackwhite


    I suspect that it may be because the a driving ban isn't actually an option for judge the piece of legislation this driver was charged under, so the original trial judge erred in applying a sanction that wasn't legally available to him.

    Corcoran, with an address on Keeper Road, Drimnagh, was convicted in the District Court of assault contrary to section 3 of the Non-Fatal Offences Against the Person Act, 1997

    S.3 of the 1997 Act allows for imprisonment of up to 5 years and/or a fine. It doesn't provide for any other punishments.

    https://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/1997/act/26/section/3

    Looks like an error on part of Gardaí or the DPP not to have included a Road Traffic Act offence as well, which would have properly allowed for a driving ban and/or penalty points to be applied on conviction also.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 56,277 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    I was wondering myself, is road rage an actual driving offence? Or is it simply assault?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,986 ✭✭✭blackwhite


    I don't believe there's a specific road rage offence. But it's hard to imagine a scenario where someone was driving, got into a row with someone, "parked" the vehicle, and then committed an assault without having also committed an RTA offence somewhere also. Most commonly you'd have to imagine that dangerous parking, and driving without due care and attention

    At very least I suspect the car will have been abandoned causing an obstruction as opposed to being carefully parked somewhere.

    There's also an offence of "Driving without reasonable consideration for other road users." You'd have to imagine that stopping your car on the road so you can jump out and assault another road user fits the bill there.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 56,277 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    None of those specific driving offences are enough to merit a driving ban though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 290 ✭✭khamilton


    It's called an 'ancillary disqualification order', Judges can apply a driving ban for virtually any conviction in which a vehicle was used in the commission of a crime.

    S27 of revised Road Traffic Act 1961



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,986 ✭✭✭blackwhite


    Unless he actually used the vehicle as part of the assault - as opposed to having been using the vehicle immediately preceding the assault - then it’s tenuous to say that provision could legally be applied and stand up on appeal.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,986 ✭✭✭blackwhite


    If you were to combine a conviction for one of those together with the conviction for assault then it would have given the judge room to apply a driving ban.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 290 ✭✭khamilton


    No it's not. Commission of a crime has a legal meaning and its not "was used as a tool directly in the final act of the crime". Someone who robbed a bank would have used a vehicle in the commission of the crime, even if the vehicle was only used to get to the bank and to leave the bank, and no road traffic offences were committed in the operation of the vehicle.

    If the judge hearing the appeal was 'overturning' the original sentence on a point of law, it would have been reported as such. Further, the appeal itself would have been reported as such. Instead it was reported as an appeal on the severity of the sentence only, with no mention of overturning. Generally, if appealing on a specific point of law, you would appeal to the High Court and not the Circuit Court - if you're appealing the severity, you can only appeal to the Circuit Court.

    You cannot apply your own common sense opinion & interpretation to the law. It does not work that way, and respectfully, when you're informed of your error, it's better to take that on board than to make the same mistake again by still viewing information through your own lens of "common sense says…".

    Ancillary Disqualification Orders are a tool to give (mostly) District Court Judges discretion, as such they are legislated to be able to used as broadly as possible, with the safety net of being able to appeal the severity to Circuit Courts without needing to do a full re-hearing of the case with the added cost of such. This is our common law legal system in general, distinct from civil law used in most countries.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,986 ✭✭✭blackwhite


    No doubt you can then point to multitudes of driving bans handed out to burglars who used cars to get to their crimes. (and for whom the link of intentionally using a car as part of a pre-planned crime would be a significantly more direct link)



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 56,277 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    the lack of 'multitudes' of examples would not prove khamilton wrong; just because a legal mechanism has not been regularly used would not prove it does not exist.

    and a minor point; you conflated bank robberies - i.e. presumably the use of a getaway car - with burglaries.

    to got full reductio ad absurdum on this - would we expect someone who has received a conviction for several instances of driving a car bomb into position, to receive a ban from ever driving a vehicle again?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 290 ✭✭khamilton


    It's a discretionary driving ban that gives significant leeway to District Court judges to disqualify someone for driving for an offence that itself doesn't give rise to a driving disqualification. The whole purpose of it is to be a 'catch all' where a judge can you use their judgment, experience and discretion to disqualify someone for driving because it would be in the public interest, given the totality of the circumstances involving a conviction which itself doesn't give rise to a driving ban.

    Why would their then be multitudes of discretionary driving bans for burglars?

    You're also writing about the 'intentionality' of something being relevant to the commission of a crime, when that's not in any way related to the law.

    This case is itself an example of an ancillary driving ban, but you're insistent on denying that for some reason.

    Ironically, while torturing yourself trying to find out how people can receive driving bans for road rage, you're now ignoring someone who provided you with the relevant legislation as to how people receive driving bans for road rage.


    To be blunt, it's quite clear you're not interested in an actual discussion and will hold on to your original (and incorrect, as I showed) opinion no matter what. So beyond correcting any further wrong information you post, I'll know better than to actually try help you understand why you're wrong in the future.

    To briefly sum up your argument:


    The original Judge was incorrect in law to apply a driving disqualification, despite the appeal only being an appeal on the severity of the sentence and not an appeal on a point of law. The article makes no mention of an appeal on a point of law, and an appeal on a point of law would generally go to a different court, but I believe it was an appeal on a disqualification order being illegally applied. I don't understand what 'commission of a crime' means, I believe how intentional a crime was changes the definition of 'commission of a crime' even though I don't actually understand its legal meaning anyway, and I expect you to provide multitudes of examples of a rarely used and entirely discretionary law even though neither Circuit Court nor District Court judgements are published.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,986 ✭✭✭blackwhite


    Calm down there - quite the rant.


    The legislation quite clearly states “or of a crime or offence in the commission of which a mechanically propelled vehicle was used,”


    So maybe you can tear yourself away from telling yourself how smart and wonderful you are, and lower yourself to the level of us mere mortals and explain how, in this case, a vehicle was used in the commission of the offence?
    He was charged and convicted of assault. It hasn’t been reported that he drove at the victim, or that he hit the victim with his vehicle.



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