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World Professional Association for Transgender Health (WPATH) Files

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,852 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    https://archive.is/mQpwN

    Every headline is clickbaity these days, even the weather forcast. I'd agree capitalizing EVERY is OTT and it's actually old news too.

    https://www.curriculumonline.ie/getmedia/36fed287-2133-4e21-9ec8-cd460f30ca59/JC_SPHE_explaining_LO_3-6.pdf

    and this is the guidance

    https://assets.gov.ie/24762/729f5d8906184a6a8c4be0c5e2a349dd.pdf

    where it talks about gender fluidity etc

    Gender Fluid: This refers to a gender identity which varies over time. A gender fluid person may at any time identify as male, female, gender neutral, or any other non-binary identity, or some combination of identities. Some individuals refer to themselves as gender fluid, gender queer, or gender non- binary.

    But anyway, it doesn't work the way you said, the approach is to teach about these things, e.g. 'some people have 2 mammies' for homosexuality. What's being taught for trans though is the issue.



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    Thanks for that, I'll take a look when I've had a chance to (finally) put my feet up!



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,719 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatFromHue


    Ben Ryan has a big article on footage he obtained from both the WPATH and USPATH. For anyone who's following this it's not surprising what the Drs are saying but still surprising that they're saying this. Some of this stuff you couldn't make up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,095 ✭✭✭aero2k


    Is this new stuff? I would have thought the docs and videos Mia Hughes released were as bad as it could get - maybe I was wrong?

    Edited to clarify meaning.

    Post edited by aero2k on


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,719 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatFromHue


    It's new stuff, arguably worse as these are in a semi public sphere and the content is also worse too. One of the Drs was talking about using child protection services as a way to influence parents to social transition their kid. That twitter thread has a clip of a Dr talking about "adultism bias" and another talking about if it's unethical to treat someone as they're too old then it's also unethical to treat if they're too young. They're both using this argument as to why it should be ok to treat minors. So they've both forgotten that they're dealing with minors who aren't adults here.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,050 ✭✭✭plodder


    Study on referrals for gender affirming treatment in Finland between 1996 and 2019 showed increased psychiatric morbidity. Link to paper below

    https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/apa.70533

    “The opposite of 'good' is 'good intentions'”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,050 ✭✭✭plodder


    Bizarre story from the US. The FBI flew a plane to Cuba (clearly with the co-operation of the Cuban authorities) to rescue a child and arrest a couple, including the child's father (Rose Inessa-Ethington), who identifies as a trans woman, and the father's partner. The child was kidnapped from his biological mother, who the father had shared custody with. The child "identifies" as a girl and the suspicion is that he was to receive gender surgery in Cuba.

    The brother of the trans father had this to say:

    Rose Inessa-Ethington’s brother, Steven Ethington, told The Times on Tuesday that she had been “rather adamantly pushing” for the child to get transition surgery since the child was about 5 years old, Mr. Ethington said, adding that he would have been supportive of the child’s gender identity had it seemed to be the child’s choice.

    “This seemed to be clearly all be coming from Rose,” Mr. Ethington said. “It was heartbreaking and hard for me to see.”

    https://www.nytimes.com/2026/04/21/world/americas/cuba-us-child-justice-department-transgender.html?unlocked_article_code=1.c1A.CpNB.jfx0fE4kV_L8&smid=url-share

    “The opposite of 'good' is 'good intentions'”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,040 ✭✭✭greyday


    See how confusing this is?

    Using ladies names for biological males, I had to go back and check what was what just to be sure, how many stories get through that we assume is the normal family unit which in fact turns out to be something like this?

    BTW the info was all there and it was my error assuming anything normal in these times.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 917 ✭✭✭maik3n


    Bucking the recent trend, the US Supreme Court rejects Florida school gender-identity policy challenge

    I guess it was probably expected when it seemed like the parents were groomed by a lot of anti trans crusaders and became activists, even though they surprisingly enough were more understanding of their childs gender identity journey to begin with.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,907 ✭✭✭Lillyfae


    Róisín Murphy in the House of Lords yesterday



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,337 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Jesus, another multi millionaire dipshít bigot claiming to be the real victim.

    Boring.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,129 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    Do you think the silly woman needs "family intervention" to set her straight? Maybe a small bit of ducking could get her to repent?

    The vast majority of people agree with what she said. Must be exhausting going through life raging at anyone who holds different opinions and casting them as "bigots". Even worse are the ones who hunt down any dissent and try to destroy their livelihoods. Really pathetic actually. I'd feel sorry for them if they weren't so bitter and hateful. Its no way to live really.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 7,662 Mod ✭✭✭✭cdeb


    Isn't it funny how predictable posts like Boggles' are - just personal abuse with no attempt to make any sort of coherent point.

    One of the things Murphy called out in the video in fact. Just bully and abuse people into silence, because it's easier than engaging with people like that. But unfortunately that's how they win.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,337 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    My point is simple, she is a bigoted dipshít, she is hardly unique. She is the Bully.

    There isn't much scratching at the surface to be had.

    It's beyond boring.

    Also her horrible views have fúck all to do with her art, I have no idea why she conflating the two.

    Zero self reflection in her speech, I'm the victim, I'm the victim, I'm the victim.

    Bemoaning the lack of debate, when she had absolutely no interest in it to begin with.

    Yawn.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,893 ✭✭✭El Gato De Negocios


    If anyone on the other side of the debate posted in the manner he posts in they'd have been banned long ago.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,337 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    The vast majority of people agree with what she said.

    The vast majority of people don't have a notion of who she is.

    The vast majority of people in Ireland know trans people are real and deserve respect and dignity, she is very very much the minority.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 7,662 Mod ✭✭✭✭cdeb


    But you haven't got a point. You've just called her a bigoted dipshit and a bully with no attempt to justify your view. You've said her views are horrible, with no attempt to justify your view.

    Do you want to try expand on your view now? Maybe make an argument to back up your position?

    I don't know who she is or why she's making to talk to be honest. And I don't really care to be honest. I can see in your post the sort of bullying, silencing, nasty rhetoric she refers to. And I agree with her.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,129 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    So you have quotes where she said trans people arent "real" and dont deserve respect and dignity to back up your post? I wasn't aware she said any such thing.

    What caused the furor was her opinion that children can't consent to sterilising medical interventions ,something that the vast majority do agree with, like it or not.

    Some people need to convince themselves that its the right thing to do because otherwise they have to accept that children, in many cases their own, have been harmed and will suffer lifelong effects for what is, for most, just a phase.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,337 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    https://www.thepinknews.com/2025/10/23/the-blessed-madonna-eviscerates-roisin-murphy-trans/

    Here is an article on it that explains that whole thing, The Blessed Madonna, never heard of them doesn't hold back.

    Crass language warning for those easily offended.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 7,662 Mod ✭✭✭✭cdeb


    Pink News? That's hardly a neutral source in fairness.

    And the comment you refer to? "Baby, I saw that post today. I just have to say, however long it takes, go f**k yourself Róisín. You had me fooled once, you really did. And many people. But you were never a queer icon. You’re another dusty TERF that knows how to count queer money and serve a look. […] Maybe people don’t talk to you like this anymore, but I don’t give a s**t who you think you are. Get your s**t together and while you’re at it, you take that f**king graph and shove it up your ass. Keep trans people out of your motherf**king mouth and watch a real mother love them the way they deserve to be loved. Shame on you, Róisín."

    It's just more of the same. It's all nasty, vindictive, bullying personal abuse without any attempt to engage in real discussion.

    It's no wonder you can't formulate a coherent argument to back your own opinion up. You just link dump and run away.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,337 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Pink News? That's hardly a neutral source in fairness.

    No idea, but it doesn't have to be, it's not exactly an opinion piece.

    It's just more of the same. It's all nasty, vindictive, bullying personal abuse without any attempt to engage in real discussion.

    I very much doubt the cess pit that is twitter is the medium for real discussion, but again if you read the article an attempt was at least made.

    But as she stated multiple times in her one way speech, if she craves open debate and understanding, then that is up to her.

    Go debate someone. Have her views challenged.

    But something tells me rage posting into the shittérverse suits her perfectly fine.

    It's no wonder you can't formulate a coherent argument to back your own opinion up. You just link dump and run away.

    I was asked for a link and I'm very much still here replying to you. 🤷‍♀️



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 7,662 Mod ✭✭✭✭cdeb


    Is she even saying trans people aren't real in that article? Or is she saying that the volume of trans people isn't real? Because they're two very different things. There's been a huge increase in the numbers identifying as trans in recent years - with a strong correlation to the likes of social media impact. Is everyone who says they're trans actually trans? Is all you need to do to be trans to decide you are that? Because to me, that's what she's saying isn't real. And I don't see an issue with that argument.

    And an exceptionally biased source like the one you've given is entirely likely to twist a person's words in favour of their own agenda, which is why I called you up on that.

    And I don't think an attempt was made to discuss things - I've posted a lengthy tirade of abuse from the article, and you've just gone back into "If you read the article" mode.

    Come on Boggles. Back your point up. Engage here. Or are you going to go back to calling people bullying dipshits again?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,129 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    Speaking of people youve never heard of, who the hell is the blessed Madonna lol. I thought it was satirical at first.

    She's not literally saying trans people arent real though? She's referring to the obvious social contagion that took place over recent years that resulted in the absolutely massive increase in kids identifying as trans. This is now on the wane and most of these kids are "de transitioning" (I've seen myself in my own childs peer group) .This is much easier for the ones who were prevented from taking any medical steps towards transitioning though of course. Others, such as Keira bell are left with the lifelong ramifications of what the adults around her allowed to happen.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,337 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    There's been a huge increase in the numbers identifying as trans in recent years - with a strong correlation to the likes of social media impact. Is everyone who says they're trans actually trans?

    Well the graph citied shows a plummeting decrease.

    Did social media cease between 2022 and 2023 in America?

    Or maybe something else happened?

    Maybe the Republicans spending 100s of millions on demonising trans people and passing 100s of anti trans laws might have something more to with it. Who knows.

    Gay frogs?

    Yet Jean Twenge, a professor of psychology at San Diego State University who analysed the data, appeared to play down the suggestion that the data indicates that trans folk are a ‘trend’ in decline.

    “One possibility is changes in acceptance; as acceptance increased, more young adults identified as transgender and/or were willing to identify as transgender in a survey,” Twenge told Fox News.

    “When acceptance declined, identifying as transgender (or at least identifying as transgender on a survey) declined.”

    Come on Boggles. Back your point up. Engage here.

    Why do you keep saying that?, I am literally responding to you. 😏



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,196 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    If anything, you’re the bully here. You’ve done little to nothing to disprove anything she has said, you just attack her, not the argument.

    Pretty funny you saying she bemoaned the lack of debate, when all you’ve done is flat out attack her.

    Pathetic bullying tactics. Same as it ever was.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,337 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    From someone who follows me around continuously personally attacking me and not discussing any part of the topic, I respectfully reject your claims.

    Take it to pm.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,196 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    And another deflection by claiming now to be the victim.

    I’ve never attacked you personally, ever, so don’t play that nonsense.

    You never engage in good faith, it’s a joke.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,337 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    I’ve never attacked you personally

    you’re the bully here

    🤔

    Like I said, take it to PM if you have a problem.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 7,662 Mod ✭✭✭✭cdeb


    Maybe more people are speaking up about the harm of things like puberty blockers and how simply declaring you're trans doesn't really mean anything? Maybe more medical staff are under less pressure to diagnose as trans no matter what - the Cass Report called that out as an issue, as did Hannah Barnes in Time to Think, about the Tavistock scandal, as did Keira Bell about her own experience. Is that leading to better treatment? That is, maybe 100% trans diagnoses are a bad thing after all.

    Maybe people like JK Rowling are being listened to by more than you'd think and are winning against a war of ideology.

    I'd argue the graph shows a return to normal levels. It's the past few years have been the anomaly. Do you think they were normal? An interesting bias if so.

    And we still don't know why you think Róisín Murphy is a bigot, a bully, and a dipshit. You don't seem keen to answer that question at all. I wonder why?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,196 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    Pointing out you’re bullying post is not a personal attack. Get over it.



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