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Ireland vs Israel - To play or not to play, that is the question Read OP for Mod Warning

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,171 ✭✭✭Pauliedragon


    Not everyone is interested in sport but pretty much all of us are using devices with products imported from Isreal. Boycotting imports from Isreal would send a much louder message to the world but no that wont be happening will it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,233 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    So what would the FAI be doing?

    The FAI wont boycott the games. They, IMO, are unlikely to raise another motion now because they did it, and it failed to gather any support. The FAI have one choice now. Fulfil the fixtures.

    So all that's left is what exactly? UEFA wont bow to "politcal pressure" from the Irish government. So who is going to go out of their way to back the Irish Government here?

    Sure did MM raise Israel/Palestine with Trump on Paddy's Day when they were chatting in front of the media? All i recall from that was Trump having a dig at MM over the Immigraton issue and MM mumbling along.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,233 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    Not just tech devices. Some of the major insurance companies here do a lot of business with Israel at state level as do some financial institutions.

    On a Day-to-day basis irish people do business with these companies whether its health insurance, home insurance, mortgage protection etc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,831 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    A better approach would be for the FAI and IFA to use the fixtures to promote peace and inclusiveness - lead by example.

    indeed - this approach can be achieved by pressure on FIFA to ban Israel. The leader of Israel is wanted for War Crimes and the State of Israel is before the ICJ for Genocide, enjoined by many many Signatory states in support of the SA case.

    Presumably you are taking the view that all Israel is about is peace, love and understanding given your position on this issue? If so, pretty much the rest of the planet disagrees, especially as Israel is now Genociding Lebanon.

    Perhaps when the game goes ahead, those of a similar view can take their seats with the Israeli fans in solidarity of peace and inclusivity. Sitting next to a possible IDF soldier that put a few bullets in the heads of children, journalists or medics wouldn't be my cup of tea. But others may be perfectly comfortable with that. It's a free world after all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,623 ✭✭✭csirl


    Not a fan of violence or theocracies. My view is that the M.E. would benefit from a huge dose of secularisation. But the Israeli NT has c.30% of players from an arab background. This could be highlighted - players from both communities working together on the same team.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,831 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Would that include players who fans sing "gas the Arabs" at?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,623 ✭✭✭csirl


    That's an awful thing to.say and you shouldnt be perpetrating it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,831 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    So, the truth hurts does it?

    You're well able to defend Israel playing soccer yet get offended when I post what Maccabi Tel-Aviv fans chant at matches? Seriously?

    And you think it should be all unicorns and rainbows and we should all get into the centre circle to sing kumbya and be "peaceful"?

    How's about a bit more of the truth about Israeli football:

    "Maccabi Tel Aviv fans rioting in Amsterdam chanted slogans like “There are no schools in Gaza, as there are no children left.” Far from just extremist provocations, their slogans tell the truth about Israeli war aims."

    This is what you are defending.

    You might just now realise that it's indefensible.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,623 ✭✭✭csirl


    Im not defending anything and dont support the clubs you mention.

    The hatred really comes across strongly in your posts. Advocate for peace, not conflict.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,831 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Hmmm. You posted this:

    Football is all about bringing people together in the spirit of inclusiveness. The football world is independent from national governments and international politics.

    Now I've brought your attention to what Israeli soccer fans are documented as chanting at matches, do you seriously believe they'll agree with you? Of course they won't.

    Save your outrage and accusations of hatred for the Israeli fans who seriously mean what they chant.

    Or perhaps just reach out to them and ask them to be nice and peaceful.

    Answer me this - how much do you know of what Israel has done in Gaza and the West Bank for the last 30 months (never mind before that)?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,623 ✭✭✭csirl


    Again, sport is about being inclusive and bringing people together. Politics and hatred have no place in sport.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,637 ✭✭✭Yeah_Right


    Ok. Good to know. You're happy with the Irish government compensating and funding the FAI for the loss of revenue from boycotting the matches and any subsequent suspension to the tune of 10s of millions a year. Good on you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,120 ✭✭✭DarkJager21


    Under no circumstances should we be playing literal Nazis in a game of football while their shitstain of a country continues to bomb and murder without restraint. Their fans can **** stay away too, subhuman scum.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,371 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Of course. Some players will be on international duty. Not all their players are going to be on international duty, use the ones that aren’t and make up the rest of the U21’s if necessary.


    I don’t know how long you have been watching Irish football, but fans have not been overcome with high quality in recent years.


    This is an exceptional circumstance. Israel is carrying out a genocide, enacting an apartheid and is responsible for numerous wars currently happening in the middle east.


    This is not just about the quality of the game, the fact is, these fixtures would be specifically to overcome not playing games against a genocidal state. I think you vastly underestimate the number of people in Ireland (and beyond) who would be delighted to express their support in this way.


    There is no guarantee Ireland would be banned from international football. Sweden and Poland weren’t when they said they would refuse to play Russia.


    You think it took me the day to make this up? Lol. This could have been posted immediately if the poster playing the role of the CFO for the FAI admitted that was only an excuse.

    1 – See above
    2 - You’ll be easily replaced by people with moral standards interested in showing support for a country suffering a genocide.
    3 – Not every station is showing the nations league, are they?
    4 – FAI can continue to take part in UEFA events after showing their moral qualities

    Is that sure to be the case? It would be an official game, not part of any competition.


    I’m a bigger sports fan than many here, I would be willing to bet that. But I have also empathy and moral standards that others are clearly proud not to be burdened by.

    Sorry, this proposal was to show how the financial loss of not playing Israel could be overcome, and therefore picking a team with both a massive Irish interest and also with a strong support for the Palestinian cause would help in overcoming that, no?


    As said above, this could have been posted 5 minutes after it was hinted at but for the refusal of someone to admit using finance was only an excuse for their support of Israel.

    The FAI dropped the ball (pun intended) two weeks ago and lost the opportunity to compete in this summers world cup. That would be significantly more costly than not playing 2 games with Israel. And we jave seen no wailing and gnashing of teeth that the loss of that income was going to shut the doors at the FAI or anything like that.


    UEFA is not following its own rules or its own precedent in refusing to ban Israel. That has created a moral conundrum that people can’t ignore and just shut their eyes and ears to it and try to focus on the football.


    Israel’s sense that it can do what it wants unabatted is significantly the reason the global economy is on tender hooks at the moment with the price of oil. At some point, someone has to stand up and refuse to allow Israel to set the agenda in parallel with the evils it is doing.


    The Dunnes strikes are entirely relevant because it led to a national ban on South African products and that could have been argued (and no doubt was) by some as impacting other people involved in the supply lines associated with the import/export of various products that were impacted by the ban.


    You act like Ireland would be just deciding one day to lets pick on Israel. Your posts read like someone who has zero knowledge of the actions of the Israeli state in the Middle East. And it’s impossible that you could have zero knowledge at this point so you are ignoring those actions with the unguaranteed logic that Ireland would lose financially.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,637 ✭✭✭Yeah_Right


    You may be a big sports fan but you don't know much about soccer. It wouldn't be an official game if it's not sanctioned by UEFA. Celtic would be risking suspension from UEFA competition so good bye Champions League money. No way they'd go for that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,719 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    The under 21s also will be on international duty and so will the under 17s.

    Maybe we can go down to the under 16s or 14s to get your panel of players.

    An another example of you having no idea about football.

    I have been watching Irish football for over 30 years.

    We have been in the doldrums for a long time until the last few months.

    A win against Portugal, last gasp winner against Hungary and very unlucky to lose on penalties.

    The buzz in the buildup to the Czechia was the biggest in this country since the victory over Italy in 2016.

    The fact that you state fans have not seen high quality in a long time again confirms you have no idea or interest in Irish football.

    It's been a long time since we have hope that we can build on something, again something oblivious to you.

    That's why me and many people don't want to forefit games and set us back so we can achieve absolutely nothing but harm ourselves.

    It's not up to me to estimate how many people in Ireland and abroad who would be happy to have their team refuse to play, if you have some sort of metric to show your numbers then send them on.

    Lastly Sweden and Poland said they wouldn't play, they didn't actually refuse to play so this has no relevance if Ireland don't play the games.

    Ireland already made their feelings known and it got no support from any other country from what I can see.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,233 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


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    There is no appetite for friendlies. The whole purpose of the nations league being created was to generate more money for football associations by reducing the number of friendlies and increase the number of competitive internationals which have a far greater appeal then a string of meaningless friendlies to both fans and TV companies.

    The nations league form 2022 to 2028 according to UEFA will bring in revenue of €3 Billion.

    Also, the game in Glasgow would have to be sanctioned by the Scottish FA, who have a game of there own on in Glasgow the same week, so they aren't going to allow it. In order to have a suitably qualified referee, which is a requirement for insurance, the host FA have to have sanctioned the game. That's not going to happen.

    This is basic stuff that any so called sports fan would know.

    If the FAI boycotted two games and played these friendly games instead, there would be sanctions from UEFA and the FAI would lose a fortune.

    Also, Dave Courell, the CEO of the FAI has already stated why the games must be played otherwise there is "serious consequences" for the FAI

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    The FAI dropped the ball (pun intended) two weeks ago and lost the opportunity to compete in this summers world cup. That would be significantly more costly than not playing 2 games with Israel. And we jave seen no wailing and gnashing of teeth that the loss of that income was going to shut the doors at the FAI or anything like that.

    The FAI dont budget for participation in Euro or world cups. The IRFU for example, budget for finishing 3rd in the 6n, not for finishing first.

    If you knew anything about sport you would know this, your just making a show of yourself now, not for the first time

    There is other TV stations but the FAI are not going to generate even remotely close to the sort of money they would be forfeiting by failure to fulfil the nations league fixtures. Are RTE really going to stump up €5-10m to show Ireland v Celtic u19s two Sundays in a row. No chance.

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    The Dunnes strikes are entirely relevant because it led to a national ban on South African products and that could have been argued (and no doubt was) by some as impacting other people involved in the supply lines associated with the import/export of various products that were impacted by the ban.

    They are not really. They were individuals who made decisions which only had consequences for themselves. They did not have 100s of people dependent on them for their livelihoods.

    the unguaranteed logic that Ireland would lose financially.

    But they will lose financially, massively. The FAI turnover of approx €60m, I have already pointed out the home game income plus the income from TV rights for the nations league. Thats going to be sacrificed.

    If you hire someone to do a job in your home, and he doesn't do the job and sends you an invoice, are you going to pay?

    Why would UEFA pay the TV money to the FAI if they fail to fulfil their obligations?

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    Your idea is compete and utter nonsense. Several others have also called you out on it, not just me. None of it had any basis in reality and you are trying to set the agenda for discussion to suit yourself by having pre agreed terms in place before hand to suit your own opinions before posting your nonsense. Thats not discussion, your just a little dictator. You should change your profile picture from Einstein to Hitler.

    You are posting stuff in direct contradiction to the CEO of the FAI, the man probably most and best informed in the entire country on the multitude of reasons why the FAI cannot boycott these games.

    Dave Courell had also spoken to quite a few of the players about the games and outlined the logic and reason why the FAI made their decision and he said in interview with OTB that the players fully understood their position and support them

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,233 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    We play england Scotland and Wales every year in the 6n.

    Look at their collective military did in the Iraq, Afghanistan etc in the last 20 years.

    Why was there no boycott called for these games which happen evey year?

    The cricket team playing Afghanistan soon. No protests.

    Why is it only the FAI who have to take a stand when it's drawn with Israel?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,233 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    The state would have to hand over €160m or more to the FAI if UEFA issued a ban for two years.

    €40m a year in lost income = €80m

    LOI ban from Europe would cost them €20m a year = €40m (UEFA money plus loss of gate receipts and reduced sponsorship)

    €15m lost from nations league 2026

    €25M Loss if host city for Euro 2028 is forfeited



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 56,820 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    The same FIFA who's head has a free apartment in Trump Towers and who gave him a made up Peace Prize? Are you mad?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 56,820 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    You're taking the piss now. You have no credibility after this post.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,623 ✭✭✭csirl


    A lot more credible than playing Celtic every international window!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 56,820 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Well as far as I know Israel has not murdered many connected to Celtic. Israerl has murdered loads of Palestinian players and their families. And you want these relatives to play against the team representing their murderers. You must be joking or mad.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,233 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    Ireland have played England in Rugby since 1875. Is that not a similar situation?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 56,820 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Entirely different. They ruled us until 1922. Their genocide was in the 1840's.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,582 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,233 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    How? Surely genocide and playing a team representing your murderers is the same regardless of the countries involved?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,582 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Stop embarrassing yourself. It's a stupid line.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,233 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    Nowhere near as stupid as other stuff posted on this thread about Ireland playing celtic 19s instead of Israel

    But yeah...



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,623 ✭✭✭csirl


    Israel not murdering people connected with Celtic must be the daftest reason ever given by a poster for Ireland not to play Israel.



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