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Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Mod Note Added 02/09/25*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 321 ✭✭Will0483


    That's why we have elections I suppose. I refuse to believe that these people are anything other than a tiny minority of the electorate. The vast majority of Irish people are sensible enough though obviously a little bit naive in terms of allowing ourselves to get to this point. I think slowly but surely the veil is being lifted though and more and more are seeing how deeply we are destroying our country and the terrible financial and social costs of doing so.

    The Irish people are doing this despite of the group think from RTE and the main newspapers which is all the more impressive. The first political party that really prioritises an end to the Asylum corruption industry will easily win the next election.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,439 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    It’s not that I have to choose my words carefully at all. The Government policies in relation to provision for asylum seekers have been nothing short of a disaster from the time Direct Provision was first touted as a means to provide accommodation for them. It’s been an horrific waste of public funds which as you point out only benefitted a handful of IRISH people, natives if you like, who have made enormous profits from turning a moral and legal obligation into a cottage industry.

    I pointed out the ridiculous rhetoric of Jim O’ Callaghan earlier in the discussion, and more recently again when rgossip posted about it costing €100 a day to accommodate asylum seekers. The fact that it had risen from €38 a day in 2018 to €100 a day in 2026 in spite of a 30% fall in the number of new arrivals indicates something is absolutely, definitely wrong, and O’ Callaghan suggesting that he would half the cost of €120k per applicant in the space of 2 years had me questioning his reasoning, as the cost of provision by private providers of goods and services to the State for the accommodation of asylum seekers only goes in one direction - upwards.

    There’s a small flaw in your logic - it ignores the neutral position - I don’t see Government policy regarding immigration in either positive or negative terms. Our membership of the EU has greater influence over immigration policy than the Government -

    https://ireland.representation.ec.europa.eu/strategy-and-priorities/key-eu-policies-ireland/eu-migration-policy-and-ireland_en



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,905 ✭✭✭enricoh


    Have we a single poster on this thread singing the praises of immigration that actually lives in Ireland?

    I know we had one recently, gormdubhman , but he seems to be gone. He didn't make many points apart from crying racism but at least he lives here! Surely we can get 1 out of a population of 5.5 million. Or does that alone tell us all we need to know 🤔



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 883 ✭✭✭iffandonlyif


    Thanks for your thoughts. Very eloquently put.

    I think you’re right that our true audience is the unseen people reading the exchange. It often feels necessary to beat your opponent into rhetorical submission in order to have ‘won’ the debate, but if we just trust in the strength of our arguments, it will be abundantly clear to people reading.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,536 ✭✭✭mrslancaster


    Which political party would that be? Not much on the horizon unfortunately. Unless you mean there’s a need for a new political party?

    Afaics, all the current parties are the same and want more immigration both EU and nonEU, and no politician has acknowledged the huge costs and extra pressure on services and local communities, they always toe the party line. Others who question the system are labelled with all sorts of slurs to put them back in their box, so everyone stays quiet. Happens on this thread too. People asking questions about costs or what the positives are to this small country basically should ignore evidence and official data. We must defer to obligations set up in the 50/60s in a very different world 🙄.

    It’s like the country has been brainwashed into turning a blind eye on the whole fiasco. So many go along with the scam even though they know full well what’s going on, its like the laundries, M&B homes and MH institution debacles, locals knew they were disgraceful but kept the head down and stayed quiet for fear of being ostracised or labelled. Or maybe they just got weary. It seems nothing has changed, politicians and NGOs have once again convinced citizens that transferring billions from the public purse to private coffers is all for the good and betterment of our society, and anyone querying that should zip it and remember their place. The devil’s finest trick comes to mind.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 883 ✭✭✭iffandonlyif


    “I think we've got some big, big problems that need addressing, and one of the things is whether this is the best place for my four kids to grow up. … I would like to go to India frequently and invite my children to fall in love with the civilisation that's in their blood.”

    In fairness, he does say he loves England and hopes his children choose to stay there. But can you really be considered fully English if you have a back-up country to evacuate to? And if India is in their blood, why is taboo for European countries to say nationality is in our blood?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,794 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    My favorite pastime is playing and watching sport.

    Some peoples favorite pastime is posting to get reactions on social media.

    The people putting in effort to respond are providing the entertainment.

    Not sure if you are on about boards or in general.

    But there are people who have nothing better to do in life than troll online to entertain themselves.

    Haven't seen it much here, mostly a twitter thing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,018 ✭✭✭rgossip30


    Your attitude of " so what " says it all just posting click bait .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,868 ✭✭✭El Gato De Negocios


    So you do agree that there is at least one negative that can be attributed to the government's policies on immigration, in this case a fiscal one.

    Id call that a breakthrough tbh!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,536 ✭✭✭mrslancaster


    Plenty of negatives but the financial one is the most egregious when politicians are constantly telling us there is no money for all kinds of necessary services but then they magically have billions to fund numerous asylum and refugee programmes. It’s pretty sickening that citizens are treated with such contempt.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,227 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    Neale Richmond spent weeks recently traipsing around Africa handing out money

    Hopeless Helen was in Ukraine throwing them 40m on top of a previously issued 25m.

    Not much there when Paddy Irish man needs help



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,439 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    Not meaning to deprive you of the breakthrough or anything, and this isn’t me needing to choose my words carefully, it’s just you appear in spite of me clarifying, to hold fast to the idea that I attribute the failures of Government policies in relation to provision for asylum seekers, to Government policies on immigration -

    The Government policies in relation to provision for asylum seekers have been nothing short of a disaster from the time Direct Provision was first touted as a means to provide accommodation for them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,439 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    Reminds me of the old joke - how do you know when a politician is lying?

    Their lips are moving 😒

    I agree with you btw - the waste of public funds where Government are absolutely not getting value for money, and that surplus could be diverted to the provision of other services in healthcare and education (though that department is running a €500m deficit at the moment so it appears enormous amounts of money are being wasted there too), is disgraceful.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 883 ✭✭✭iffandonlyif


    Mark Paul manages to talk about knife crime in London without once mentioning the ethnic component. In this case, the suspect is a man called Oliuwadamilola Ogunyankinnu. No joke. What the fūck is England doing to itself?

    The thrust of the piece is that while every stabbing is a tragedy, the trend is downwards and the far-right is sowing division. I literally hate these people. They are ideologues. Only that can explain their repeated failure to report the obvious. Is it any wonder, therefore, that Irish people are so deluded about the realities of multiculturalism?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 443 ✭✭sekiro


    In circumstances like that it appears that "the far-right" is an enemy that serves only to keep all of these disparate other groups on the same page.

    London is a huge multicultural city with so many different communities and enclaves. Is it really the end of the world to admit that some communities have disproportionate issues?

    A young man goes to a park in London to take some photographs and is stabbed to death. Everyone is more worried about the far-right, it seems.

    Come on guys the far-right are saying knife crime is on the rise in London but there were only 100 fatal stabbings per month last year!

    There's a big problem but the far-right are saying it's a really big problem and that's just disinformation! Let's all join together to stop knife cri... er… disinformation!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,018 ✭✭✭rgossip30


    Like big Jim blaming Tommy Robinson for the fuel protests .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,605 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    Ah now you can't be expecting them to blame themselves for the mess. Sure look at the minister for disinformation Patrick O'Donovan on blaming the media for their coverage of the protest.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,905 ✭✭✭enricoh


    Bbc sent a few fellas undercover as refugees to expose refugee wraparound services telling them to say they are gay n would be persecuted back home.

    Rte will be doing the same here in 2042!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,020 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    We've all known and said this for years. It's an absolute disgrace the current system.

    I'm on the verge of a site ban. Please don't rage bait me, I'm easily triggered especially late at night!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,171 ✭✭✭Stephen_Maturin


    Fair play to the BBC doing some proper investigative journalism

    RTE appear for all accounts to be doing their utmost to turn a blind eye to all but the most flagrant stories of dodgy happenings surrounding the IPAS industry in Ireland



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,850 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    Oh so there is such a thing as 'lefty lawyers', thousands of bogus asylum seekers, corrupt LGBT NGO's, and it's even worse than the alt-right fascists said it was.

    I'm absolutely gobsmacked by this, not least because the report comes from the BBC. They sent Pakistanis into gay nightclubs to take photo, and faked having HIV. Oh my buckng god!

    And of course all this is going on here in Ireland as well:

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/courtandcrime/arid-41820635.html



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,826 ✭✭✭DebDynamite


    Second part of the BBC investigation. A lot of people need to start realising the lengths some people will go to go get a visa to enable them to live here legally.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,905 ✭✭✭enricoh


    I was in molesworth st marriage registry office in 2015. There was 2 Pakistani fellas with 2 eastern European women opposite us.

    I said to the missus the chemistry ain't exactly electric between any of them and the honeymoon period wasn't long disappearing!

    If I was a gambling man I'd bet they never met til that morning.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,409 ✭✭✭CollyFlower


    Anyone can apply for protection in Mount St, all you need is to be able to speak a foreign language, wear designer gear and drag a suitcase behind you and your in! They'll get accommodation and whatever else that they're "entitled" to ... If they're  found out it's a false claim it usually just results in refusal of their application and removal from the country with a few € for their troubles.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,171 ✭✭✭Stephen_Maturin


    https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/housing-planning/2026/04/16/former-direct-provision-asylum-residents-chief-driver-of-destitution-among-single-adults/

    From one system of state support to another after getting leave to remain

    Literally just importing people to be homeless - we already have our own homelessness crisis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,849 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    may as well have left them in direct provision, what a crazy situation



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 4,591 Mod ✭✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    The International Protection bill has gone to the President to be signed. However she is convening the Council of State to consider whether it should be sent to the Supreme Court to test its constitutionality.

    The bill is to implement the EU Migration Pact.

    Measures in the bill include:

    • A new "border procedure" for faster processing of applications at ports.case processing should take 12 weeks.
    • Identity and security checks. Biometric registration (EU-wide database. Health and vulnerability check. Information on rights and procedures.
    • Creates a new appeals body (Tribunal for Asylum and Returns Appeals. Fewer oral hearings in some cases. Streamlined legal process overall.
    • The bill integrates asylum refusal and return decisions more tightly. Faster removals after refusal-linked appeal and return process.
    • Stronger EU coordination on returns.

    Some politically debated elements include:

    • Restrictions on family reunification (including a proposed waiting period of up to 3 years in some cases)
    • Stronger financial self-sufficiency requirements for certain protections
    • Reduced long-term entitlements in some circumstances


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 29,944 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    All sounds positive - can't say I'm too surprised that Connolly wants to have it tested though. The electorate were starved of decent choices in that election too!

    I'd be extending the reunification out to 5 years myself and I'd absolutely be restricting citizenship eligibility as a further measure. We should make it very hard work to qualify for that.

    Fundamentally we should remember that if applicants don't like these/our rules, they can always go somewhere else and try their luck! No-one is forcing them to stay.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,092 ✭✭✭Juran


    If it were up to Connolly, she'd have them all stay forever on the dole and free housing



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,187 ✭✭✭✭lawred2




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