Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Mod Note Added 02/09/25*

Not necessarily. The invocation of seeking asylum means that they aren’t committing an offence, and they aren’t criminals.

If someone arrives without proper documentation, and isn’t seeking to claim asylum, depending upon how they arrived here, they’re not criminals either.

This isn’t nitpicking -

Stephen Kirwan, a solicitor with KOD Lyons specialising in immigration and asylum, said it is a complex area of law. He said that the Geneva Convention on the Status of Refugees does not require asylum seekers to have travel documentation when presenting at a border.

https://kodlyons.ie/just-one-prosecution-in-four-years-for-failing-to-produce-passport-on-arrival-in-ireland/

Where do I start?

The main negative is the massive, massive costs imposed on taxpayers by:

(1) non-working EU citizens: welfare, housing, health, education

(2) UKR refugees: welfare, housing, health, education

(3) bogus asylum-seekers: Direct Provision, etc. = €122,000 per claim, and that excludes public spending after the claim

These direct costs run into billions upon billions of euro.

After these direct costs, then there are indirect costs:

(1) increased demand on accomm, pushing up rents

(2) using tourist accomm, thus reducing supply, and increasing prices for tourists

(3) increasing demand for healthcare services

etc., etc.

no, my main point was these lads seem to have nothing to do all day except post from morning until the middle of the night and post at length while quoting links that take ages to read. They regularly play devils advocate’s, to generate discussion?

E100 euro a night now to accommodate each asylum seeker. Fleece these eejits in government banty n co.

It's an honour to pay 65% tax on fuel to add to the pot to waste on this epic scam.

They have different religions associate with people of their own culture and generally do not mix with Irish people.

Criminals still enter the country whatever way you try to twist it

Dublin Airport should have a database and anyone doing this should be refused re-entry and repatriated.

Never was the ignore poster button more useful. Someone living on a different planet to the rest of us.

It's just an unwillingness to acknowledge the truth.

Just like the poster who posted a pretty provocative take just to, in their own words, "test the vibe of the thread" these guys think they are genius stragegists, ducking and diving and weaving, when actually the questions at hand are pretty simple to handle.

Oh no, they've been asked if there are any negative impacts of the government's immigration policy and they know for a fact that there are negative impacts but they can't admit that so they basically lie and say "no" and then try to justify it with something like "well I was accused of nitpicking you see and the other poster blah blah blah so even though I knew the answer is yes I said no anyway".

Think about it though if they have to wriggle and squirm and avoid then that's a sign that they know the truth but they can't bring themselves to just admit it.

The worrying thing is that they seem to think it's a clever tactic. Like they are playing chess or something.

The even more worrying thing is that Ireland has many, many, people who are also like this. They know the government policy on immigration comes with negative impacts, they know that it's a tough sell to try to argue that the positives are worth the costs and so they just go into complete denial mode.

Are there any negative effects caused by the government's immigration policy?

No! Well, actually, yes but I'm saying no because I don't want to be seen to be saying yes!

Thats where we are at now. People, who absolutely do know the reality of the situation, denying the reality of the situation because they can't bring themselves to accept the reality of the situation.

I'm not clear on what protests you are talking about.

I would not really describe the disturbances in November 2023 as "protests" but I don't think we are even allowed to discuss the events that led to the rioting so likely we have to leave that one where it is.

A good few events we aren't allowed to discuss at this point actually. Probably none of them are a result of our governments immigration policies though so it's all fine.

So I think where we are leaving this for now is that the government's policies on immigration have NO negative effects.

Lets see how that viewpoint holds over the coming months and years.

Just to clear it all up. No negative effects from the government's immigration policy. None at all. It's all good. Everything is fine.

I am tempted to ask what are the positive outcomes but maybe another time.

You have to shake your head. Michéal Martin this morning said [regarding fuel protestors] that 'the government are obliged to protect people at large'. What about the local resifents in towns and villages across the country where illegal fake AS are shipped into hotels in the middle of the night, with no background checks and no idea who they are ??

Fuel protestors who are the back bone of this country working their asses off, paying their taxes & VAT and ensuring we have food, essential goods, fuel, drugs and medical supplies delivered to us daily.

Ahem. Just to interject with a quick observation as a lurker, but when the poster you replied to says “here”, he means the UK, not Ireland.

Wrong. I live in the UK and I'm aware of what the status of the reparations debate is here. You on the other hand are just mindlessly regurgitating the same tedious racist drivel without any critical thinking whatsoever.

You don't.

You just hope that others will read the discussion and come to understand the truth.

If you use language where 99% of people understand your meaning but they pounce on it like it's a massive "gotcha" moment then honestly you just have to trust that others are able to see through it.

Any reasonable person knows that your point is that multicultural societies will have internal conflicts as a result of the multicultural nature of the society. In this case "your ancestors oppressed my ancestors and now you must pay" between Brits and just about everyone.

It's perfectly reasonable to speculate that we will someday see this kind of historical and cultural beef become part of our own political discourse.

Of course the UK is filled with people who absolutely despise the native Brits and maybe the people of Ireland won't be so hated by our government's taxpayer-funded guests. Yet, we hear more and more rumblings that the tricolour is a symbol of something so maybe some day that kind of rhetoric comes here too.

I think in the end you just have to trust, and respect, that people reading the posts firstlyunderstand your meaning and secondly can see through the dishonest arrmept to shut you down.

They are absolutely not unaware of their own ignorance they just don't want to admit the reality of the situation we find ourselves in.

I'd even go as far as to say that people are using the fact that matters before the courts cannot be talked about here to help make the case that everything is actually fine.

Multicultural societies have their pros and cons. You have correctly identified one of the cons and any reasonable person can see that.