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Clampdown on TV 'Dodgy Boxes'

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,728 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    nonsense, its clearly obvious we d just blockade the country, especially critical infrastructure, ports, fuel depots etc!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,013 ✭✭✭Dr Robert


    Murphy would give you a migraine listening to him. That party he's in are a horrible shower.

    As for scumbags abusing him. They are even worse. That's some going.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,013 ✭✭✭Dr Robert


    No they are not. Do your bosses know you are spouting such rubbish 🤣



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,037 ✭✭✭jj880


    https://www.independent.ie/opinion/comment/deirdre-reynolds-you-wouldnt-pickpocket-brad-pitt-in-temple-bar-so-why-are-you-happy-to-steal-his-movies-on-a-dodgy-box/a581274467.html

    Possibly the best headline yet.

    Still, it’s money well spent for peace of mind (not to mention moral superiority) after the company confirmed it’s set to go after dodgy-box users up and down the country.

    Why not just pickpocket Brad Pitt (who recently filmed The Riders in Cork), Emily Blunt (currently filming Walk the Blue Fields in Wicklow), or Winona Ryder (filming Wednesday season three in Dublin) while they’re out sightseeing in Temple Bar?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,968 ✭✭✭Benedict XVI


    You're never going to win over anyone by talking about pickpocketing multi billionaire Hollywood stars.

    A better approach would be to talk about the kid doing the videography or commentary or production in Clubber or LOI TV.

    An article about how illegal streaming is affecting them would work better than one about a actor that we can never relate to.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,786 ✭✭✭dubrov


    There's more than one issue people vote on. It might be enough to push a voter to another party, say from Fine Gael to Fine Fáil



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,037 ✭✭✭jj880


    Missed this reply yesterday for some reason.

    I'm not sure why you're telling me to "take it up" with anyone.

    Im simply stating if rights stay structured as they are right now piracy will grow.

    Do you think the rights as they are right now will never change?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,037 ✭✭✭jj880


    True for selling papers / indo subs. Not sure potential dodgy box users would take any notice.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,968 ✭✭✭Benedict XVI


    The question was asked "where a future solution for rights holders might come from", but your gripe related more to rights owners.

    Thus, blame the rights owners not the rights holders.

    As for a change I believe there will be changes, but popular sports like F1 and EPL will never be cheap.

    If the EPL went with a individual club rights system then packages for the big clubs would still be expensive.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,037 ✭✭✭jj880


    Once rights holders are holding the rights are they free to sell in whatever package / bundle they like?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,901 ✭✭✭jmcc


    Flashback to the old videotape/DVD warnings from FACT?

    Regards…jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,037 ✭✭✭jj880


    Ah yes. You wouldnt download a car!

    Also Brad Pitt would be getting pick pocketed in Temple Bar.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,214 ✭✭✭c montgomery




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,674 ✭✭✭lee_baby_simms


    Technically yeah but not in reality. EPL typically sell tranches of fixtures in batches. The EPL will carefully choose a seasons fixtures based on how they are sold. One lot is super Sunday and the other will be Saturday 12:30 and 17:30 matches or whatever. These times can be tweaked but bidders are paying for the fixtures not the times they are played at. More or less. They will typically try to spread the most desirable fixtures in different lots to maximise money from bidding wars but the EPL are tightly regulated and have to comply with competition law. This has been the method for decades.

    When it comes to the PL people will look to Sky or TNT and say why don’t you give us this or that but their hands are tied to a large degree.

    The EPL have already gotten their money so they are under relatively little pressure to change or come up with some kind creative thinking or out of the box ideas.

    As long as Sky and TNT keep paying mental money for the rights then things won’t change and packages for consumers will stay at current or higher cost. The question is will skys reported losses from illegal streaming reflect in how much they will cough up to the PL for the rights. When that happens then the PL may have to look at how their distribute those rights. But completely changing how rights are sold would not be trivial and be subject to a lot of scrutiny and red tape.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,779 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    I never saw Ireland playing in a jersey with a collar and a zip.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,037 ✭✭✭jj880


    There are all kinds of warm up / training / half zip tops for sports teams available to buy.

    Dont think we'll see many Weckler articles in the next while. Fuel protests look like they could get nasty if not resolved shortly.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,779 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    Anti Sky, anti MUP, anti DRS, pro Fuel Protestors. Anyone standing on those policies would be a shoo-in for the Dáil.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,338 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Its a ROI half zip. All of their gear for sale in Ireland is emblazoned with "Sky".

    The badge is the give away!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,201 ✭✭✭Manc-Red_


    Masters Golf Channels

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    Better Born Lucky Than Rich.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,968 ✭✭✭Benedict XVI


    The question is will skys reported losses from illegal streaming reflect in how much they will cough up to the PL for the rights. When that happens then the PL may have to look at how their distribute those rights. But completely changing how rights are sold would not be trivial and be subject to a lot of scrutiny and red tape.

    That's why the most recent rights deal which started this season and was agreed in late 2023 is so interesting.

    The EPL increased the number of games that could be broadcast, cut the number of packages available and extended the length of the deal.

    They got more money for the deal overall, but less per game.

    There was no longer a small midweek games package that Amazon had, which precluded anyone from going in and testing the water as it were.

    I believe that this was to appease the broadcasters who could have come in and said we are not paying x for y because we are losing z to illegal streaming.

    It worked out better for the consumer, more games less fragmentation.

    It will be interesting to see if the broacasters next time round (about the end of 2027) go to the EPL with a low offer and say that it's because of illegal streaming.

    The broadcasters no more what to over pay the EPL than you and I want to over pay the broadcasters.

    If that happens a few things could happen.

    Other bidders come in, but not in a bidding war, and it becomes more fragmented.

    The EPL go it alone.

    The EPL accept Sky and TNT again for the same or a lower price.

    We might see the end of the 3pm blackout, but what you're not gonna get is a per club deal or anything like that

    That would take an overhaul of the EPL charter and if it were to happen I'd have thought we would have heard rumours about it by now.

    I'm keen to see what will happen.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,825 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    Is the 3pm blackout policy for the epl or a law?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,968 ✭✭✭Benedict XVI


    It's the soccer bodies (EPL, FA, Football League, UEFA etc) that have to agree to it being removed or changed I believe.

    It's not in any law.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 286 ✭✭DXR


    I don't have any Amazon devices, I have a few of the Walmart ONN boxes ($19.99US) that are streets ahead of Amazon devices, for a fraction of the cost, and they run Google TV, not a strange forked version of android, but I believe it's only one particular model of Amazon's sticks that are restricting apps, those are the "select" line of models.

    Strange move on Amazons part in my opinion, because the reason they've sold prob billions of them was the fact you could easily install 3rd party apps on them relatively easy, plus they're handing an easy win to competitors (see above onn 4k devices)

    **I am not a software engineer, and know more about the mating habits of the pygmy shrew 😂 than how operating systems actually work, but I'll be amazed if some dev doesn't figure out a way to get past that restriction eventually**



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,825 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    My guess is that the vast, vast majority of people who buy firesticks use them to watch prime or Netflix and don't worry about the os or anything like that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 335 ✭✭Sn@kebite


    It's A whack-a-mole game. Likely always will be,

    I easily found one of these internet tv streams. I also use the legist ones like sky NOW as but dont pay if nothings on.

    As long as theres the crazy prices of sports streams, dodgy boxes or ip.tv will always be around. These companies are not shy at all in extracting cash from the consumer, as well as making it hard to unsubscribe, which is another form of weaseling these companies do.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 22,621 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Its interesting what you say about making it hard to unsubscribe. When our children were teens ( they are now adults) we had a sky subscription. The sky box went faulty. I rang and got the " you own the box line" I had got it replaced before so I played the I am cancelling my subscription. The call center I was onto was a freephone number, and he said I had to ring xn 0818 number. And at the time I think this number was 10 or 20c/ minute and you would be half an hour cancelling your sub.

    I asked for a emaill adress, they diid mot accept cancellations by email, I asked fotr a pistal address they did not provide one so I stopped my direct debit which I told the call center employee. I got letter a out the DD failing and calls which I told them why I stopped the debbit. Finally they cut off the sub and send final demand letters. Then it was phone calls.

    They rang one morning looking for me and I had answered the phone. I let on to be onebof my sons and told them that I was gone from the house and that the family had no contact. We got no more phone calls after that

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,201 ✭✭✭Manc-Red_


    Better Born Lucky Than Rich.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,201 ✭✭✭Manc-Red_


    For those interested in getting a Blue plan from Sling in the states for use with USA Network - let me tell you the picture quality is breath taking with stream around 35 seconds behind live feed on Sat.

    Cost me about 40 quid per month and something o might take up with use of Peacock from next season after this months trial.

    Better Born Lucky Than Rich.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,786 ✭✭✭dubrov


    40 quid per month and having to work around geoblocks? You might be their only Irish subscriber



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,825 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    Why pay €40 per month to an american company? You can get Now Sports and Sports extra packs for €27 a month at the moment. Sure you don't get every single game of soccer, but you get an awful lot. Seems mad to pay much more, but maybe I'm missing something?



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