Transgender man wins women's 100 yd and 400 yd freestyle races.

According to those two definitions there is a lot of bigotry going on, bigotry against women.

Like I stated above women are probably the main target of this bigotry.

The amount of women who have died and become chronically unwell since they overturned reproductive health rights dwarfs by some degree the number of trans people in sport.

Science can answer than very easy. A person assign male at birth, who transitions to live an a female post puberty, retains a significantly physical and hormonal advantage.If a person assign female at birth sought the same hormonal advantage exogenously, and were cauht. They would be banned for life.

That’s not remotely scientific? For starters genetic sex is determined at conception, and can be detected months before a woman gives birth, and when she does, the sex of the infant is recorded at birth, not assigned.

The question is whether that advantage is unfair, not whether or not it exists, and it certainly doesn’t appear to exist in any transgender athletes who have thus far ever competed in an Olympic event.

If anyone were caught cheating, they would face disciplinary action, doesn’t matter what sex they are or what gender they claim they are. That’s what a therapeutic medical exemption is for, to allow athletes to take medication which is on the banned substances list, without any penalty.

Some organisations have policies where they make determinations about athletes eligibility on an individual assessment basis, their focus is on inclusion and participation without discrimination. French rugby is a good example, weren’t long telling World Rugby where to go! Very… French 😏

That doesn't appears to be based on any fact related to performance.

Doesn’t appear to have stopped you all the same? Athletes don’t appear out of thin air when it’s game time and then disappear back into the closet afterwards. They’re actually living, breathing, human beings. They don’t just appear when it’s time to perform, they have lives outside of the sport in which they choose to participate and compete. Some of them even have a presence on social media where they interact with other athletes, their fans and supporters!

You have hit the nail on the head there.

It's open season against trans people as long as they use the term "in sport" at the end of it. Sometimes it slips.

But trans people in Ireland don't actually play organised sports and in America it is virtually none.

Trans people have been around for ever and have been allowed to play sports for decades.

You'd imagine at this rate they would have created all sort of world records and completely dominated their respective sports give the supposed competitive supremacy.

But strangely no. We have 1 Olympian, just 1.

Who failed to lift any weights and finished last.

🤷‍♀️

A broken clock is still right twice a day.

Yes transophobic bigots will be argueing against their participation in sport, aswell as their general participation in society. Even Trump for all his idiotic and hateful policies towards transgenders, is right about them not competing fairly in sport.

Just because the above is true, does not make the arguement less valid. Going against a factual, correct opinion just because the person argueing is a scumbag is a stupid position to take.

Your original claim I have dispelled. Your new claim, is also not scientific fact, it’s a two-part statement that’s doing nothing more than stating the bloody obvious.

You've dispelled nothing. I have made no new claims. It is simple, males have biological advantages over females in sports due to their physiology. You can't dispel that with "feelings".

For the sake of the same simplicity, I’m assuming you’re referring to sex, and you mean at will. That’s just nature, not scientific fact. It cannot be shown to be wrong.

I think you are very confused here.

You’re not likely to see the results of your broader hypothesis

There is no hypothesis. Just fact.

the results are unlikely ever to be made public

What?

it’ll simply be the case that women who see themselves as women, it turns out that their chromosomes indicate they are to be classified as men.

That's the point.

Provided they don’t look like men, I would imagine the sports organisations which use the test will keep shtum, in order to uphold the idea that the testing works as intended.

That sounds very like a conspiracy on your part. So we can all dismiss that. Easy.

It worked before, until it didn’t -

https://medicine.yale.edu/news-article/decision-to-abolish-gender-testing-at-sydney-olympics-supported-by-yale-physician/

26 years ago.

Believe it or not, scientific testing has advanced a lot in that time frame. "In reality, gender verification tests are difficult, expensive, and potentially inaccurate," probably true in 2000…not true today.

If you have to go back that far to try and make a case, you don't have much of a case to make.

It is unfair because the sex classes are explicitly defined to exclude it

I’d actually believe you wrote that with a straight face and all 😂

While there have indeed been very few transgender athletes in the Olympics, comments such as this massively misunderstand just how much of an outlier Laurel Hubbard was. They were essentially an over the hill, semi-interested, male-physique athlete who qualified for the Olympics. They are a perfect case study in just how unfair the whole thing was. The fact they didn't medal is not remotely exculpatory.

I’m not misunderstanding anything at all - the point being made is that men who are transgender have a significant advantage over women in almost all situations in sports. But Laurel Hubbard, a living, breathing human being, is not the right example, because they refute an abstract argument and it’s just not fair because it tanks the whole notion of hordes of lesser men, perverts, deviants and a whole assortment of undesirables chomping at the bit to compete in women’s sports.

If that were actually the case, there wouldn’t be such a thing as women’s sports now, where the opposite is true and women’s sports are only gaining in popularity, in large part due to greater investment in women’s sports in recent years and concerted efforts to promote women’s sports in the media where they are still woefully underrepresented in comparison to coverage of men’s sports, so much so that all they would be is still an afterthought were it not for the efforts of people involved in women’s sports to promote their particular sport.

The less said about the skort fiasco the better, or the fact that women have to threaten to refuse to play in order to come to an agreement with the organisation about better conditions for the players -

https://www.the42.ie/press-conference-follow-on-6097178-Jun2023/

The question I’m asking myself is ‘why?’, why does anyone think men would be remotely interested in pursuing a career in women’s sports when it’s not even worth it as things stand, for women to pursue a career in women’s sports?

Give me another example so of a Trans Olympian.

Oh wait yeah. That was it.

She doesn't count, because something something. 😂

She is the only example, but for some reason we can't talk about her.

If, as you appear to be suggesting, there are no male trans athletes competing in women's categories then what is your problem with a ban on it? By your calculation it doesn't affect anyone anyway.

If, in fact, there are ANY male trans athletes competing in or wanting to compete in women's categories then the only pertinent question is should they be allowed and the answer based entirely on scientifically verifiable differences in performance between biological males and females is no.

Everything else you bring up to deflect from this basic truth is nothing but the distraction tactics of someone who cannot accept that their belief based ideology is being refuted by facts.

Sorry. Who was cheating? Please be specific?