Transgender man wins women's 100 yd and 400 yd freestyle races.

No, its actually not transparent but the ideologues would like to paint it that way, those of us with daughters that play sport would have a vested interest in making sure they are treated fairly and compete against their own sex, if they are so good they choose to compete against men thens thats OK too but they deserve the option to compete against females.

You've done a great job of completely missing the point of this thread.

To be fair the men of flojos era were equally doped up.

I don’t think that is fair, to be honest, as the underlying premise is that Flo-Jo was doping, and that it’s only fair she achieved what she did because the men who achieved what they did were doping. The men who were doping, actually failed doping tests, whereas Flo-Jo had never failed a drug test.

It was an interesting era in sport though, replete with questionable results, if not questionable fashion choices… not sure how Daley Thompson’s tee shirt would go down today -

Context -

Much harder to excuse was his stunt at the Los Angeles Olympics in 1984, when he donned a T-shirt bearing the words: “Is the world’s second best athlete gay?” It was a reference to American athlete Carl Lewis, who’d been subjected to rumours about his sexuality.

https://m.independent.ie/sport/other-sports/athletics/daley-olympic-superstar-review-britains-greatest-athlete-thompson-has-spent-too-long-in-the-shadows/a1197003302.htmlError

I have zero problem with transgender people 'being out and open'. In fact I think they are a group that is horribly mistreated and misunderstood.

I do however have a problem when biology and science is ruled over by feelings for a unfairly treated minority.

Trans people competing competitively im sports fairly and being accepted are two completely different things - one should happen, the other can never happen.

There is no right versus left, Trump/MAGA racism, transphobia or whatever you want to call it. There is simply science and being wrong.

No ifs, buts or what about X,Y or Z.

There is simply science and being wrong.

The science is inconclusive, at best, and being wrong is simply a matter of perspective. For example, Eric Vilain is either right or wrong, depending upon who’s doing the evaluation -

https://www.ucihealth.org/about-us/news/2023/04/transgender-athlete-bans

https://www.realityslaststand.com/p/dr-eric-vilain-has-abandoned-facts

There’s far more involved than simply science or being wrong, there is no shortage of politics involved, or politicians for that matter, with various political perspectives, and then there is indeed the rules, which can vary considerably from one organisation to another, in the domain of organised sports (emphasis on organised, as organised sports are not at all the same thing as just sports - anyone can play and compete in sports, whether they are eligible to join an organisation involved in any sport is dependent upon the organisation’s policies).

The example I’m thinking of is of course the LGFA, which since 2023 has included transgender players, much to the dismay of some politicians who sought to write a strongly worded letter to the organisation in question, with the backing of the local council of course -

https://gript.ie/clash-at-sdcc-on-trans-policy-for-ladies-football/

https://gript.ie/meath-county-council-rejects-motion-calling-for-lgfa-to-reverse-transgender-policy/

Makes sense that they would as the LGFA as an organisation are in receipt of public funding -

https://ladiesgaelic.ie/government-intercounty-support-scheme-confirmed-for-2024/

What happens with regard to the rules of the organisation and funding once the three organisations merge, is anyone’s guess really. Jarlath Burns reckons it’ll cost €500m to achieve full integration -

https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2025/1217/1549446-mcaleese-2027-integration-realistic-despite-resistance/

I admire his optimism 🤨

It’s not hard to deal with? You’re giving your experience based upon your perspective, I’ve no reason to doubt or question or disagree with your experience.

What I said has nothing to do with any myths on your bingo card, but as you’re playing by your own rules, and you appear to be playing by yourself, you’re inevitably bound to win?

Seems a bit pointless tbh, but if it keeps you happy, crack on 👍

It’s not worth anything, it still amounts to nothing more than an allegation. There’s an even more simple maxim if you like - an accusation of wrongdoing requires evidence of said wrongdoing, otherwise it’s nothing more than idle gossip and speculation.

The science is inconclusive, at best, and being wrong is simply a matter of perspective.

I really hope that one day we really find out about the biological differences between males and females. This mystery of science will, one day, be solved and we can put this matter to rest.

I really hope this discovery can be made…truly.

The biological differences between males and females are fairly well established in science already, but I don’t recommend relying on science to answer questions it simply cannot answer, such as questions of whether or not men who say they are women have an advantage in women’s sports that could be regarded as unfair. I’d suggest they’re at a rather considerable disadvantage given how they are likely to be perceived, but that’s just me.

Making rules based on feelings rather than facts is stupid.

This is simply not true, and there is ample evidence throughout the history of science that demonstrates it is not true. Considering even one of the most fundamental theories in biology, that of evolution, Darwin was afraid that his ideas would be rejected if they were to deviate from the prevailing views among Victorian society at the time -

https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2009/02/04/darwin-and-his-theory-of-evolution/

This is about the religious backlash because it contradicted Genesis…it has no bearing here. That has nothing to do with feelings and biological fact.

And his feelings towards women were, to put it charitably - complex, in so much as what he said in public and what he thought in private of women’s place in Victorian society appeared to be at odds with each other -

No bearing on anything really. Strawman, and a bad one at that.

Or, if you’d prefer a more recent example, there is that of the work of scientists recruited by the Nazis, and the facts involved in their research certainly are dependent upon feelings and what is said about their discoveries -

I'm sorry, what?

On a somewhat more light-hearted note, there’s the example of what is now regarded as pseudoscientific garbage, which at the time very much depended upon feelings and opinions for its legitimacy as scientific fact -

Again, nothing to do with this topic.

You've done nothing, as always, to dispel the science.