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Horse Killed Pulling Sulky

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 50 ✭✭Migdal_Or


    Ten years ago, the Irish media were willing to tackle these issues. Now, they are terrified to give them the attention they deserve. You’ll occasionally see an article about it on RTE, but it's never headline news, and you'll never see a detailed discussion about the issue in the mainstream media.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23 FatBudda


    They've had carte blanche for years. Giving them ethnic status just encouraged them to step up the violence,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 304 ✭✭Mother Shaboobu


    The attack on the Limerick woman is getting widespread coverage. I don't think the media is doing or not doing anything differently. They're reporting on the events - that's all they can do, they can't give opinions on news pages.

    Certainly though, an opinion piece on the serious problems disproportionately affecting traveller communities would cause ructions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,468 ✭✭✭hoodie6029


    a culture of shunning the outside world, a lack of education, making children get married, child labour etc etc etc

    This is water. Inspiring speech by David Foster Wallace https://youtu.be/DCbGM4mqEVw?si=GS5uDvegp6Er1EOG



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,859 ✭✭✭OscarMIlde


    I actually think the opposite. I remember it used to be general description of the perpetrators and the incident, and then you'd hit the general address much later in the article and it would be Rathkeale or such and such a halting site and you would put two and two together.

    Now I think they are more upfront with who it involves, as they should be. There are decent travellers who suffer the consequences of the misogyny and lawlessness of some travellers, either directly or indirectly due to the discrimination/distrust towards travellers it provokes.

    The perpetrators of this attack were women, but at the heart of the attack is a fairly patriarchal view of who is responsible for someone straying in their marriage. I doubt they attacked the husband who had the affair.

    “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.”


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,859 ✭✭✭OscarMIlde


    From a practical standpoint it can be difficult for authorities to intervene when there is a group response to outside interference. A friend of mine is a public health nurse. For a while a halting site was part of her catchment area. Whenever she went there she would be 'greeted' by a group of men who would ask her who she was visiting, why etc. basically gatekeeping who could see who and what on the site. Even once you could get access there were difficulties with follow up if it involved things like hospital appointments, needs assessments for children, etc. as letters for appointments would not necessarily make it to who it was intended for and not every person had literacy to a degree they could understand these letters anyway.

    It's a very difficult thing to resolve, especially without a concerted will. I've always thought that receipt of child social welfare allowance should be dependent upon things like school attendance and attenedance of whatever early years health visits are normally conducted by the local health centres. Longterm that should combat some of the issues to do with insularism and lack of education.The other issues like crime, drug dealing and violence should be dealt with by CAB (I know they do this to an extent, but this needs to be greatly expanded) and the Gardai.

    “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.”


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,182 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    A traveller liaison nurse would be a big improvement in helping with the issues you describe .

    I remember so many issues with particularly male traveller relations when working in acute hospital areas . We had to lay down the law and have security on alert nearby pretty much from the beginning .

    Also there are so many problems with education that resource teachers in many schools around the country end up trying to" catch up" students who miss weeks on end and the parents are never asked why .

    I think the days of defending this and other ethnic minority cultures while the costs to women and children are so high should be beyond over where Pavee Point is concerned .

    There is no excuse for people being basically imprisoned in a violent archaic system and forced to live whatever life is expected of them by a group of largely uneducated males who espouse violence and feuding as well as criminal behaviour as a way of life .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,825 ✭✭✭plodder


    I was at the M4 service area outside Mullingar recently and a car came belting through the filling station at a really dangerous speed, in between two cars at pumps. They drove straight up to the disabled parking spot at the door. Nice car too. A bunch of traveller women in their 20's got out and went in to get food. Only a small thing as nothing else happened, but nobody said anything to them either. When even the simple rules don't apply to you, you can be sure the more serious ones won't either.

    There was a very good interview with traveller actor John Connors the other day in the IT about the effect social media use has on traveller feuding.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/crime-law/courts/2026/03/28/traveller-feuds-how-family-pride-and-social-media-are-driving-extreme-violence/

    fwiw, I've had dealings with a number of people from a settled traveller background over the years, amd they're the nicest people you could meet. The culture is not all bad.

    “The opposite of 'good' is 'good intentions'”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 58,507 ✭✭✭✭Necro


    I genuinely think the worst thing to happen was them being given that seperated legal status by the FG led government. Don't get me wrong there always was an 'us and them' divide but since that ruling it seems to be more pronounced, with little care given for laws of the land or even basic decency as plodder refers to above.

    Then again, public decency and kindness has been slowly circling the drain for years now so it's not solely attributed to travellers. Social media has seen an end to that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,895 ✭✭✭aero2k


    Martin Collins insists "feuding and violence is not part of our culture". I wonder what Mandy Rice Davis would have made of that.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,182 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Agreed .

    It's the battle of the Sulkies vs the Scramblers at the moment !



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