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Transgender man wins women's 100 yd and 400 yd freestyle races.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,671 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Because it sounds like it is as arbitrary as banning aliens.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,055 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Cis women athletes would kick the snot out of me, I still shouldn't be allowed to compete in female divisions. "transwomen/women with DSDs" don't always win is a terrible argument. Drug cheats don't always win, so what?



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,055 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Banning aliens is, in fact, not arbitrary. They wouldn't qualify for either males or women's Olympic sports today. Much like a bloody cheetah wouldn't be able to take part in the 100m sprint.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,671 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    The number of Cheetahs competing at elite and pro sporting level here and at the Olympics is the same as the number of trans women.

    So we could in fact have a 320 page thread demonising Cheetahs.

    It is just as arbitrary.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,055 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Not entirely convinced you know what the word arbitrary means at this point. You could argue it is pointless (I would disagree) but it is pretty much the opposite of arbitrary.

    The number of trans (and DSD) people competing at the Olympics was not zero, though it will be going forward (apart from those with CAIS). The "it doesn't happen much/at all" argument is incredibly feeble - if that is the case why expend effort on opposing the measures? Just say "well that doesn't really change anything, let's move on". Culture wars require two sides, and those covering their eyes and refusing to see the blatantly obvious problems in front of them are every bit as much to blame as the "MAGA" warriors who latched onto the open goal.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,671 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


     blatantly obvious problems in front of them

    I have asked you several times to articulate the scope of the problems.

    You point blank told me you had absolute no interest.

    A bit rich of you to be acusing people of covering their eyes to be fair.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,055 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    The problem is male athletes, who have significant physical advantage, in female sports.

    How many people this impacts currently in Ireland is irrelevant to the global issue. And "it impacts nobody" is a truly terrible reason to argue against the latest move from the IOC anyway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,671 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    How many people this impacts currently in Ireland is irrelevant

    Nonsense, the question is absolutely relevant.

    The fact is you don't want to it answer or discuss it because you know it's absolutely embarrassing the amount of time being given over to what is virtually an non issue.

    An issue in the majority being driven by hateful cranks to channel their bigotry.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 304 ✭✭Mother Shaboobu


    "Ability not gender" - yet we're not talking about gender, we're talking about biological sex.

    "They're not interested in female sports" - how the f does that mitigate the obvious unfairness? And how does it delegitimise the concerns of those who have daughters, sisters, granddaughters that are sporty?

    It really is just desperation to pretend that such a concern is nothing other than bigotry.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,055 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    I would be happy to give over precisely zero time to this if you would just stop arguing against it.

    I will defend to the death this thing that I am also adamant impacts no one is an utterly bizarre viewpoint.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,671 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    I will defend to the death this thing that I am also adamant impacts no one

    Something you are adament about but can't even hazard a guess to quantify?

    That strikes me as extremely odd.

    Leap of faith stuff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,671 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    "Ability not gender" - yet we're not talking about gender, we're talking about biological sex.

    I haven't a notion what you are talking about.

    But if you have a problem with that phrase, you need to take it up with the FAI.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,674 ✭✭✭El Gato De Negocios


    A man defending men competing against women, shouting that people who disagree with men competing against women, dont care about women's sports. The narcissism on show is really quite remarkable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 58,507 ✭✭✭✭Necro


    I think the decision was correct. The one thing that surprises me is it took so long. The vast, vast majority of female athletes flagged this years ago. The only bizarre thing is how long it took the IOC to actually listen to them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,671 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    The one thing that surprises me is it took so long.

    The next one is on in LA, Trump stated he would ban them from entering the country.

    Although I'm not sure who he was going ban, as there is currently no trans athletes competing at that level.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 304 ✭✭Mother Shaboobu


    He hasn't "a notion what you're talking about."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,671 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Trans Women. Not men.

    They exist just like everyone else.

    There is no one on here that I can see advocating Men competing against Women at elite level.

    The one and only Trans Woman who competed at Olympics did so in 2021.

    She didn't manage to lift any weights successfully and she finished last.

    Not the greatest advertisement for the peddled narrative that Trans Women are going to take over and dominate female sports. 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,042 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    Its not just about "trans" though, despite how much you are trying to make it the case so that you can rant about trump and right wing bigots. There are a number of males with DSDs who have competed against, and in some cases dominated, womens sports. The most prominent example being the 2016 womens 800m where all 3 runners on the podium were actually male. A person, such as caster semenya or imane khelif, who has been through male puberty should not be competing against women. End of. Trans women are also male and should not be competing against women if they have been though male puberty. The vast majority of actual female athletes agree with this. Maybe you should listen to them instead of just insinuating that it's actually a level playing field after all and they just aren't trying hard enough because "ability not gender".

    It makes no sense to acknowledge that there are valid reasons for sports to be separated by sex, but also advocate for men to compete against women if they say the magic words that they are trans so as not to hurt their feelings.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,671 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Its not just about "trans" though, despite how much you are trying to make it so. 

    You will need to speak to the person who created the thread.

    Transgender man wins women's 100 yd and 400 yd freestyle races.

    A person, such as caster semenya or imane khelif,

    A Person? Well they are 2 people.

    They are both women.

    Neither are trans.

    It makes no sense to acknowledge that there are valid reasons for sports to be separated by sex, but also advocate for men to compete against women if they say the magic words that they are trans.

    There is no men pretending to be trans or magically declaring themselves trans to get into Elite or Professional Sports.

    It's beyond ridiculous to the point of hilarity.

    Benny Hill'esque.

    We have had 1, 1 trans women compete in the Olympics.

    She utterly failed.

    The idea men are pretending to be trans to dominate women's sport is beyond lunacy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,154 ✭✭✭Vic_08


    The only thing here that is absolutely embarrassing is you clutching onto a facetious numbers justification like a drowning man with a life ring.

    You have completely abandoned any pretense at justifying that biological males should be allowed compete in the female category on merit and are desperately jumping from one spurious side argument to another.

    It is entirely irrelevant what number you claim in the self-selected group you decide. Something is either right or wrong irrespective of how often it occurs and no matter how many ridiculous side arguments you try to make the core of the issue remains that biological males have no business participating in female only categories of anything. It is irrelevant what their feels are on the matter of gender or how much chemical or physical body modification they engage in, they were always male, will always be male, will never be female and have no right to be allowed access to female only spaces or categories just like every other biological male human on the planet.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 304 ✭✭Mother Shaboobu


    What's the physical difference between transwomen and men B?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 304 ✭✭Mother Shaboobu


    Also, *obviously* people aren't as concerned about transmen in men's sports. When people pretend to be puzzled by that, it's really desperate.

    And nobody is saying transwomen will take over women's sports - they're saying it's not fair to let transwomen participate at all in women's strength and contact sports.

    Post edited by Mother Shaboobu on


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,055 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    She took a place at the Olympics from a woman who should have qualified. Their performance at the event notwithstanding, a person 20 years older than the next youngest competitor, who had given up on the sport for decades beforehand, qualified ahead of a deserving woman because of their male advantage. That, thankfully, will no longer be possible.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,591 ✭✭✭Yeah_Right


    You've mentioned Laurel Hubbard a few times. Is that World Championship silver medalist Laurel Hubbard? Is that NZ champion Laurel Hubbard? Is that Pacific Champion Laurel Hubbard?

    I bet all the women who finished behind her or missed out on their Olympic dreams think it's great a 40 something trans woman got to compete and beat them. Yay women's sports.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,895 ✭✭✭aero2k


    Semanya is male, according to information provided by Semanya for a CAS hearing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,230 ✭✭✭Enduro


    And so on down each level, where one Female will have missed out on progressing up to the next level because a Male took her place, and so on down the next level. And then there are all the third place Females who should have been second, fourth place females who should have been third etc. It's very rarely just one Female who loses out, even if it is just one Male competing. Anyone who understands competitive sport would instinctively understand that. It's evident enough which posters lack that understanding.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 808 ✭✭✭mjsc1970


    How much longer is this sh1te going to go round and round and round, jesus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,697 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    Any man defending this has no concept of the reality of sport because they have never played sport.

    If they have played it and think this is normal then they are not dealing in reality.

    Although I would take anyone of them claiming to be involved in sports with a large pinch of salt.

    Another delusion more than likely.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,085 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    No she isn’t, this was already disproven in the “womens rights under attack” thread. 

    But you already knew that. Are you going to repeat the “she fathered a child” conspiracy that you peddled there?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,674 ✭✭✭El Gato De Negocios


    The fact that they are declining to say what sport they are allegedly involved in says it all tbh. No doubt it's something where physical attributes give advantages to competitors like tiddly winks or charades.



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