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US/Israel conduct airstrikes on Iran again

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,783 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Where is Vance? Oh…

    Nettanel Slyomovics of Haaretz:
    J.D. Vance, who Trump chose to lead the sensitive negotiations with Iran rather than his usual envoys, Jared Kushner and Steve Witkoff, wants to leave Iran in his rear-view mirror, and he doesn't really care where that leaves Israel.

    And that's especially true given that most Americans also want to end this war; they, too, don't really care what price Saudi Arabia, Qatar or Turkey will pay.

    And if Vance has an opportunity to leave Israel twisting in the wind, that would be, for him, a bonus.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,214 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    I don't think that medic did survive. He videoed that massacre before being killed but they found his phone. The brave heroes in the IDF fired 900 bullets at those ambulances.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,783 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Israel's death penalty for Palestinians has passed. Apartheid on steroids….


    "Israel's parliament has passed a law making the death penalty a default sentence for Palestinians convicted in military court of lethal attacks."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,612 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Reintroducing the death penalty would be mind boggling enough, but to say that it applies only to Palestinians is off the scale.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 253 ✭✭Tacitus Kilgore DCLXVI


    I wonder what the talking points on this will be to attempt to make Israel ("the only democracy in the Middle East") seem more enlightened than Iran or other autocracies in the region. Or maybe at this stage the mask will just slip and all will just be happy with admitting they are ok with them killing the ignorant savages.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,543 ✭✭✭Billy Mays


    A fair and just democracy for all 👍🏻



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,783 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    I assume there will be similar outrage to Iran killing protesters. But maybe not, given that it's Israel authorising the executions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,438 ✭✭✭brickster69


    The old world is dying, and the new world struggles to be born: now is the time of monsters. — Antonio Gramsci



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,168 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    Were the EU acting rationally?
    This action would be the death of Association agreement.
    Given that every country in the EU has abolished the death penalty.
    That it is completely anathema to the ECHR.
    That the EU itself views the abolition of the death penalty as one of its core achievements.

    That we would allow the continuation of the association agreement with Israel and this openly racist implementation of the Death penalty against "non-israelis" is an affront to everything the EU claims to stand for.

    There will come a time, when the histories of how the world stood idle whilst Israel stretched and shattered international norms.
    That they will be recognised the same way that Japan and it's actions in China are.
    The withdrawals from Lebanon & Gaza in 2006 and the continual violence through every ceasefire will be seen the same way as Mukden & the Marco Polo bridge incidents.
    They've yet to storm out of the UN, but make no mistake.
    They have left it almost as irrelevant as the League of Nations while warmongering under the cover of a US veto.
    The way they treat the UN, and more particularly the way they treat UN peacekeepers and observers has hastened the decline of the UN.

    For all the damage that Russia has wrought in the world order.
    The continual effort to ignore and excuse Israeli brutality by Western governments and protection the US & UK veto has afforded them over the years...
    Is as bad, and has accelerated the race to multi-polarity.
    It has led to a nation drunk on their Kahanist vision of a Jewish homeland who believe they can act with brutal impunity.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,783 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Irish peacekeepers are only circa 15km away.

    I wouldn't be surprised if more are killed and injured in the coming days as Israel advances its campaign.

    Hopefully the Irish remain safe. But they must be horrified that their UN comrades are suffering.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 253 ✭✭Tacitus Kilgore DCLXVI


    They'll kill the "anti-Semite" Irish and everyone, including our own government, will just stand around shrugging their shoulders saying 'ah shure'. The level of influence this paraiah state has on international relations is beyond belief.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,612 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    It's hugely embarrassing for the EU that they have been describing the terrorist state as an "ally". Even Russia doesn't have the death penalty and for Israel to say they will only use it against an oppressed minority seems to be blatant racism and apartheid.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,438 ✭✭✭brickster69


    The old world is dying, and the new world struggles to be born: now is the time of monsters. — Antonio Gramsci



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,612 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    This is now a dilemma for the EU. I'm not sure they can just ignore this Knesset vote and pretend it hasn't happened. The Israelis are planning to execute Palestinians tried in 'military courts' and without even a fair trial.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,783 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    And those courts have a 96% conviction rate against Palestinians.

    The new law also allows no clemency.

    It's simply legalised killing to avoid any more scrutiny by the ICC or ICJ.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 924 ✭✭✭bored65




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,688 ✭✭✭yagan


    A good 20% of Israeli nationals identify as Palestinian, so this effectively allows a shoot to kill policy within Israel too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,783 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Ah no, the shoot to kill policy for Palestinians has always been in force. Especially if you're playing football or throwing stones.

    The latest MO is to prevent medics attending and simply let the victims bleed out and die over an hour or two.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 451 ✭✭tarvis


    someone trying hard to pull NATO into the madness?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,775 ✭✭✭.Donegal.


    No doubt the spineless EU and European leaders will be “deeply concerned” and that’ll be it. Israel needs to be sanctioned and the trade agreement suspended but that’ll never happen. I used to be as pro EU as you could get now it just sickens me. Especially Ursula , less said about that the better.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,854 ✭✭✭weisses


    Same goes for the US RE death penalties and there is a bowl of shamrocks brought over every year accompanied by some serious ass kissing/licking



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,775 ✭✭✭.Donegal.


    Sky news report detailing just how mental Americans are and believing that this is a holy war to usher in Armageddon. Nutjobs.

    Link

    https://news.sky.com/story/iran-war-latest-trump-tehran-us-israel-kharg-island-netanyahu-lebanon-strikes-drone-live-sky-news-13509565?postid=11438005#liveblog-body

    Post edited by .Donegal. on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,168 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    Some interesting speculation as to the amount of Uranium 235, the enrichment ratio and a proposed location for Iran's Uranium.


    An intersting tidbit from the article is the claim that rather than the long acknowledged 440kg of 60% enriched Uranium 235, it attempts to outline where the lower enriched material migh be and what it amounts to.

    Then, in a confidential letter of June 12, the IAEA informed member states that Iran had significantly ramped up production of enriched uranium, estimating that Iran’s total stockpile now included 440.9 kilograms of up to 60-percent HEU, 184.1 kilograms up to 20 percent, 6,024.4 kilograms up to 5 percent, and 2,391.1 kilograms up to 2 percent. On the same day, the IAEA’s board declared Iran in breach of its non-proliferation obligations.

    Now the article posits that the HEU may have been moved to Isfahan.
    The reported movements of US troops and particularly of Special Forces into the Gulf has been ongoing for a moth now.
    I've posted previously that even with the advanced elements of the 82nd Airborne, the 2 MEUs and the special forces in the region.
    That the US has around 10000 immediately deployable combat troops.

    Nowhere near enough to ensure a successful assault on Kharg or Qeshm Islands, perhaps sufficient force to take one of the Tunbs or Abu Musa.
    But?
    I'd argue that assaulting any of those islands doesnt fit the pathology of the Trump regime.
    The spectacular victory and the appearance of succesful warfighters carrying out an audacious strike is more important to the Executive than sensible and strategic operation to take control of one of the Strait of Hormuz exit/control points.

    I mentioned in earlier posts that I believe that the ground forces assembled are only suitable for a raid rather than an invasion.
    What if the planning is to use the troops in theatre to raid Isfahan, seize the HEU and exfiltrate?

    Well, I'd argue if thats the US play?
    That Iran moving to material to a central point such as Isfahan, makes that mission far tougher for the US.
    Couple that with the destruction of the E3-G and the 2 damaged EA130s, and it pulls the rug from the SEAD and support elements of getting any such raid into and out of Iran.
    Aircraft vital to ensuring a safer approach for any Airborne or V22 assault force.

    Isfahan is approx 600km from Iran's Gulf Borders and 450km from Iraqi border.
    Too far for helicopter insertion and surely the US wouldnt repeat the mistakes of Operation Eagle Claw?
    So what would the likely approach for such a raid be?
    Would the US attempt a Hostomel style assault?
    Seize an Airfield near Isfahan via a V22 insertion of forces and then land a larger force via C130s to then assault the rumoured location of the HEU to then try and get back out the same way?

    This is hyper speculative on my part and its an operation that no professional officer would even countenance IMHO.
    But?
    We are dealing with a "Department of War" led by a demonstrated moron who believes in the audacious.
    We are dealing with a POTUS who has that love of audacity dialled to the Nth degree.
    I think its an unlikely scenario but its far less a not possible in my mind now then it would ever have been previously.

    To add, Isfahan is both heavily garrisoned and has both armoured IRGC and normal Iranian troops stationed in the areas aswell as a significant Saberin SF units based locally.

    This really is more a journey into fantastical thinking, than it is a genuine prediction as to likely US aim for boots on the ground.
    I can't reconcile a serious ground assault on Iran with the number of US combat coded forces currently deployed.
    The thing that keeps jumping out at me, is the fact that 1 of the MEUs, and the 82nd Airborne's advanced brigade are coded as Special Forces and combat and then you have the consolidation of Special Forces in the region.


    For what purpose?
    I think a raid on Kharg would invite a degree of retaliation against the GCC aswell as Kharg itself that would destroy oil output for a couple of years across the region.
    Similarly any raids to seize an Island at the head of the Strait would leave the US forces under Iranian fire control via drone and missile as well as tube artillery on some of the closer to the mainland islands.

    I keep swinging back to the Trump regime's need for spectacle and supremacy and I worry for US forces that will be tasked for the attempt to land in Iran.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,214 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    Israel is murdering UN soldiers in Lebanon just like they attacked the British soldiers in 1947. Will the UN be scared and run away again?

    https://www.rte.ie/news/world/2026/0330/1565823-unifil-lebanon/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,214 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    They could invite the Knesset leaders to a meeting of the European Parliament and roll-out the red carpet just to show Israel that their bond of friendship will survive through every atrocity.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,783 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Israel admitted to IDF tank fire hitting UNIFIL positions and critically injuring two UNIFIL soldiers 3 weeks ago.

    At the moment, there is no corroborated evidence as to who fired the projectiles that killed UNIFIL troops over the last 24 hours. It could have been the IDF or Hezbollah.

    UNIFIL ceases its operations at the end of this year. So technically, not running away. UNIFIL troops have authorisation to return fire in defined circumstances. But they are limited.

    Whoever has committed these killings should be held to account. The IDF should be held to account for their actions 3 weeks ago.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,612 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Von der Leyen is a typical brainwashed German Zionist but I suspect Kaja Kallas doesn't like them and has no time for them or for Netanyahu.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,214 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    The IDF will never be held to account for anything.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,181 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    Israel is so used to acting with impunity. To never suffer any consequences. Eventually, they will go to far.
    An Ethnicity based death penalty should be a red line for the EU if it had any credibility.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,181 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    I think Trump wants to prove that he can put boots on the ground. He will seize one of the smaller islands in the Strait as a genius “art of the deal” bargaining chip. Maybe somewhere like Greater Tunb, because he likes the name.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



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