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Transgender man wins women's 100 yd and 400 yd freestyle races.

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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Regional East Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 19,707 CMod ✭✭✭✭The Black Oil


    Caught some of the debate on Good Morning Britain, two trans voices. One motor car racer said the IOC decision was wrong. The other, Debbie Hayton, said they can compete with their own sex, biological men. Will probably be on YouTube later... actually, it's up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,671 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    This is a thread which generally shows active support for women's sport. It might be beyond you to understand that, but I can't really help you there.

    Very specifically. As in only specifically.

    A volunteer administrator in a sporting context is someone who helps to administer the functioning of the sport (usually in a formal role) in a voluntary (that's both unpaid, and done willingly) capacity. Every sporting governing body, and indeed most clubs, have administrators. I hope that helps with your understanding. You clearly must be new to sports to not be aware of this.

    So you sit on some sort of committee, just say that then.

    I do look forward to the thread discussing actual support for womens sports, maybe it exists already, I assume you are active in it.

    That's a firm no, then.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,895 ✭✭✭aero2k


    Of all your poor faith efforts to date, that nonsense must rank as one of the worst.

    Disparaging someone for making a contribution, after demanding they explain some fairly simple words that you could have figured out yourself if you really couldn't understand them, and then deliberately mischaracterising the explanation. Shocking, but not surprising.

    Post edited by aero2k on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,671 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Disparaging someone for making a contribution

    Where did I do that?

    I coach.

    If I said I unlock human potential with transformational guidance for facilitating sporting greatness.

    I would expect a question or two.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,824 ✭✭✭ProfessorPlum


    Whatever. It's great news.

    It puts right a terrible wrong that has been allowed in women's sport.

    It's not the only thing that needs addressing, but it did need to be addressed.

    Watching the IOC allow men to punch women in the face at Paris 2024, and then defend it later in a press conference was a new low, after watching 3 males collect gold, silver and bronze in women's 800m in Rio.

    Their ridiculous 'framework' policy was shameful.

    We can only hope now that the national governing bodies and the international federations who are now non compliant, will follow suite.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,895 ✭✭✭aero2k


    And the questions would be deserved, but the OP didn't say that, did he? He didn't use Linkedinspeak at all.

    The committee reference by you was obviously meant to infer that the OP doesn't make a meaningful contribution to sport.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,230 ✭✭✭Enduro


    Very specifically. As in only specifically.

    WTAF are you on about? Listen lad, if you want to set up a straw man whereby you define what you decide "counts" so that you can win the internet, then fire away. I'm happy for you to think that you'll have achieved a great victory for yourself.

    So you sit on some sort of committee, just say that then.

    I said exactly what I do. I was happy to elaborate on it in simpler terms to assist you with your comprehension problems in understanding what was being said. No need to thank me. I do sit on committees (plural). That is a part of what I do. It sounds like it's a lot more than you do. And it certainly has a much bigger real-world impact than your apparent gold standard of starting a thread on boards.

    People who "sit on some sort of committee" can be hugely impactful in promoting female sport. To give one example already referenced in this thread, Kirsty Coventry "sits on some sort of committee". It even has the word committee in the title, just to clue you in. It's worth repeating the last paragraph of the Guardian's Opinion piece (I've bolded the key bit to help you) on what she has done this week in her role of "sitting on some sort of committee":

    However, whichever side of this issue you fall on, one thing is clear: a seismic shift has taken place.

    That's in the real world. I'm guessing that starting a thread on boards wouldn't have the same seismic impact, or do you think otherwise?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,671 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    The committee reference by you was obviously meant to infer that the OP doesn't make a meaningful contribution to sport.

    I do sit on committees

    We got there so.

    Anyway, an actual real world problem would be lack of coaches for womens and girls sport, particularly female coaches.

    Rarely makes headlines though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,230 ✭✭✭Enduro


    Oh dear oh dear. Reduced to partial quotes to try to win the internet. Let me try again… I bold again to see if it helps with your comprehension of what is being said.

    I do sit on committees (plural). That is a part of what I do.

    And to again emphasise :

    People who "sit on some sort of committee" can be hugely impactful in promoting female sport. To give one example already referenced in this thread, Kirsty Coventry "sits on some sort of committee". It even has the word committee in the title, just to clue you in. It's worth repeating the last paragraph of the Guardian's Opinion piece (I've bolded the key bit to help you) on what she has done this week in her role of "sitting on some sort of committee":

    However, whichever side of this issue you fall on, one thing is clear: a seismic shift has taken place.

    Good to see that you've moved beyond thinking that starting threads on boards is some kind of gold standard for promoting female sports. As it happens, the sports I'm involved with don't have that coaching problem. So I take it you're trying close the coaching gap in the sport you coach?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,230 ✭✭✭Enduro


    By the way, an actual real-world problem that is an actual on-topic matter for this thread, is Male sex athletes competing in the Female sex category. No amount of coaching will enable a Female athlete to overcome the biological advantages that Males possess for the vast majority of sports. Hopefully (for your athletes), you have enough coaching knowledge that you can understand that.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,671 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Males and females compete together in one of the sports I coach.

    It's not an issue.

    The main issue is lack of coaches.

    Again

    It is unclear how many, if any, transgender women are competing at Olympic level.

    No woman who transitioned from being born male competed at the Paris 2024 Olympics.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,591 ✭✭✭Yeah_Right


    Very true. That is a real problem. Maybe a group of people involved in the sport could get together and discuss that problem, come up with solutions and enact policies to fix that problem.

    Now what could we call that group?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,671 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    We are well stocked on committee members thanks. None of them touch grass.

    But by God do they abuse WhatsApp.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,230 ✭✭✭Enduro


    The main issue is lack of coaches.

    So in your case, it has nothing to do with promoting female sports at all. It is a general issue across the sport, regardless of sex or gender. So the issue which your raising in a desperate attempt to deflect from the seismic progress in advancing female sports, has nothing to do with advancing female sports specifically.

    I don't think you're going to win the internet with that one.

    Could you please outline why the Paris Olympics is some kind of "special" case that only it should uniquely be looked at WRT who competed? Can you explain why a transgender athlete competing at any other Olympics doesn't "count". Please provide supporting links to show that it's not just made up nonsence.

    Any idea why something you seem to regard as not worthy of consideration is being mentioned in every major news item in the real world, where the impact is being ragarded as seismic? Do you have a better insight than all these publications, and if so, will you contact them all to let them know they are wrong?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,895 ✭✭✭aero2k


    Again with using something true to create a false impression. The fact that @Enduro sits on committees was not in dispute, but you used the word "committee" (singular) and "sit" in such a way as to infer that the sitting was literal (I know you're fond of using " literal") and that there was nothing tangible being contributed. A cheap shot, no useful contribution to the discussion -IOW business as usual.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,591 ✭✭✭Yeah_Right


    And? I don't see what this has to do with the discussion but maybe you could go to the committee and outline the issue of lack of coaches, especially female coaches AND put forward a proposal on how this could be addressed. You know, start a conversation about it that might lead to solving the problem.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,671 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    No point.

    The best they will do is come up with is a flyer and circulate it around WhatsApp or Facebook.

    Trust me, I have been at this for decades.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,825 ✭✭✭plodder


    Males and females compete together in one of the sports I coach.

    Which sport is that?

    “The opposite of 'good' is 'good intentions'”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,650 ✭✭✭J.O. Farmer




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,825 ✭✭✭plodder


    Tag rugby is a good example of participative sport that can be inclusive and should be encouraged on that basis.

    "Touching grass" is a figure of speech though that doesn't literally mean the sport is on grass. So, I'm not sure that's the sport in question.

    “The opposite of 'good' is 'good intentions'”



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,825 ✭✭✭plodder


    Not a dicky bird about the Olympics rule change from either the Indo or the Irish Times, other than syndicated copy bought in on the announcement itself. None of their sports journos have anything to say about it. Though, in fairness the Indo do have a couple of other columnists who have expressed strong views on the wider issue of trans rights vs women's rights. I really thought there would be something over the weekend.

    “The opposite of 'good' is 'good intentions'”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,037 ✭✭✭10000maniacs


    Boggles has being woke trolling on these forums for years. Introducing straw men and semantic gymnastics to deflect from the main arguments and wear people down who eventually just can't be arsed replying. Doing it for years on the immigration forum threads too. Don't feed it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,895 ✭✭✭aero2k


    Here's the IOC press conference announcing and explaining the policy. Jane Thornton, the IOC Health, Medicine and Science Department Director gives an in-depth explanation on how the working group went about their task.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,895 ✭✭✭aero2k


    Yeah, I heard a few items on the radio - some of them saying that trans athletes were going to be banned, rather than saying that men will no longer be allowed in women's sports. So far there's been no mea culpa from the craven media who wouldn't touch this issue with a bargepole over the last 10-15 years unless it was to parrot some inclusivity nonsense. Things would never have gone as far as they did if the scientific facts, which have always been well known and not just discovered last week, had been properly reported.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,809 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    RTE's Six-One news snuck it into the sports segment, about 20-30 seconds. Sports injury news gets more time than that!

    Rte.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,671 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    So everyone who disagrees with you are trolling?

    Funny you mentioned immigration.

    Anti LGBTQ+ rights and Anti Immigration fanatics have now merged into one.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jun/01/far-right-weaponising-lgbtq-rights-in-europe-to-sow-division-campaigners-say

    She described the erosion of LGBTQ+ rights as a “canary in the mine”, as the same far-right governments go on to extend their attacks to academics, journalists and artists and undermine fair elections. “The community has been weaponised,” she said. “You’re scapegoating a community and you use that to create an us-against-them narrative to bind you to your own voters and build alliances that safeguard your own power.”

    The trans community had borne the brunt of this tactic as politicians seized on the fact that many people knew little about the community or trans rights, Hugendubel said. “It was an easy entry point to sow fear among people, to sow division,” she said. “So in that sense, it was a real instrumentalisation. You kind of take the weakest link and enter there to sow fears, to sow misinformation that then goes into broader attacks against the community, but also against human rights standards.”

    This is played out in MAGA America, spending 100s of millions fear mongering about Trans people, whilst the real target is Women, Gays and Lesbians and minorities as a whole.

    It amazes me how so many people can not just fall for it but openly champion it. Then actually deny it is happening.

    Anyway some actual good news in regard Women's Sport that will make a tangible difference, which will address actual problems. Not Makey Uppy culture war ones.

    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2026/mar/30/landmark-changes-insurance-cover-female-athletes-pregnancy-menopause-karen-carney-review



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,230 ✭✭✭Enduro


    I care about fairness in sports. As a result, I care about fairness in entry criteria for the female category. I couldn't give a damn which political "team" happens to align themselves with my opinion or not. My opinions will not be guided just because an extreme left or extreme right political organisation happens to agree or disagree with it.

    In the grown-up world we can choose to support a political organisation because they align with some of our views. We don't have to childishly support every opinion of a political party just because we may have chosen to support them. For grown-ups with their own independent thoughts it's highly unlikely that any political organisation will align 100% with those opinions 100% of the time.

    If you can't understand any of the words I've used there, do let me know, and I will try to simplify it if necessary.

    In case you don't realise it, there are multiple ways that Female sports can be better supported. More effective female-focused insurance is one for sure. So is keeping Male sex athletes out of the female category. It's more than possible to deal with more than one thing at the same time. Of course, that requires people actually doing something about it, rather than complaining on the grassy sidelines about the people who actually get things done.

    I wonder how that improvement in insurance came about. Was there some sort of group of people who took on the task of getting it done? I wonder if there is a name for that sort of grouping of people?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,650 ✭✭✭J.O. Farmer


    It is a good example of a sport where males and females compete with each other.

    The poster hasn't elaborated either so it could be anything like debating where again sex doesn't matter.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 304 ✭✭Mother Shaboobu


    "Everyone who disagrees with you is trolling?" - posted in response to someone who was referring to one person, and describing his posting style as "straw men and semantic gymnastics" (absolutely no mention of mere disagreement).



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,671 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    So is keeping Male sex athletes out of the female category. It's more than possible to deal with more than one thing at the same time

    Again, the vast vast majority of people fear mongering about trans people couldn't give a flying fig about female sports.

    That's the point and the point of the article I linked to.

    It's quite a clearly a ulterior motive from the cranks.

    It's a hardly a secret.



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