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Conor McGregor thread (MMA Talk Only - Read 1st Post Before Posting)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,920 ✭✭✭Brief_Lives


    isn't there some sort of White House UFC fight happening soon?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,397 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    Yeah and hes not on the card. Need 6 months of testing first. 😕🌫️



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,920 ✭✭✭Brief_Lives




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,611 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    I don't actually think he'll ever fight again. But let's say he does……….

    It'll be big, sure. But will it be anywhere near his fights v Khabib, Poirier or Diaz? No, it won't. These aren't the McGregor glory days when we were looking at a world beater, someone who looked like they could be on top of the world for years to come.

    America still THINK they love him, but come July it'll be 5 years since he last fought. Later this year it'll be 10 years since he last won a title.

    It's already three years since he filmed TUF to build up his "comeback" fight v Michael Chandler.

    He'll fight, he'll lose, he won't be back and that's that!

    Nobody thinks he's a serious contender. Nobody thinks he can beat an actual top ranked fighter. Yanks still have this idea that he's a national hero here, when the truth is he has become a national embarrassment. He's still "popular" here in the same way that Kid Rock is "popular" in the US. The general public see him for what he is, the tiny percentage of the populace who agree with his "politics" will support him and he himself will use this to his advantage and grift these people like he's never grifted before.

    He's the biggest star they've ever had, and he's probably still their biggest draw considering there's not a single fighter on the roster that the casual would tune in to see. But this might as well be Tyson v Paul. People will watch, but it really is inconsequential and it's certainly not sustainable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,397 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    Broadly agree but people will watch because if he runs through whoever hes fighting theres a chance of another 3-4 fights from him. Its possible.

    And if you look at some of the biggest PPVs etc from other huge star fighters - Ali, Floyd, Tyson etc - the PPVs numbers were bigger when they'd lost/been washed up. Floyd vs Manny, Ali vs Frazier in Manilla etc.

    Takes years to get Joe 6 packs attention. If anything, the hatred towards him will make more people tune in.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,611 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    Yeah but if he's put in with anyone fit, hungry and talented he's not running through anyone.

    Chandler was handpicked because he's older, easy to hit and is 1-5 in his last 6 fights.

    If you look at the current 170 rankings, I struggle to see anyone who he'd have a chance against. Maybe D-Rod? MCP might be fun but he has about as much chance of beating someone in the Top 10 than he does of beating his c*ke habit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,397 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    Haha. Yeah I think he'll be steamrolled by anyone decent/active.

    People in the industry saying it'll be Max.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,285 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    I’d actually pick a trained Conor to spark Max. He beat him in 2nd gear years ago. Max isn’t a heavy hitter, not particularly strong, much more prefers stand up striking to wrestling. Doesn’t set a fast pace either.

    Look what Topuira did to him, and Conor hits at least as heavy, if not heavier, and has more reach on his shots.

    I’d be quite confident that Conor wins. What area has he really to fear from Holloway?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,611 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    Many many caveats there.

    1) "A trained Conor". We'll say no more on that.

    2) Max was KO'd by Topuria, sure. But that's the only time he's ever been stopped. We have mountains of evidence to show that Max is extremely hard to KO, including a fight with a prime Conor McGregor himself.

    3) Speaking of, there's plenty of water under the bridge in the 13 years since they fight fought. Two different bridges. One, Max has gone from strength to strength and has spent the years since then being active, fighting the best in the world, winning titles and is only a couple of weeks removed from a fight against a recent 155 Champion (granted, he got smushed). The other…………………

    To answer your question, the area where Max would strike "fear" into Conor (not literally, just using your venacular) is in some of what I said above. He's fit, strong, active, an accurate pressure boxer who will put Conor under pressure from the opening bell. An active Conor had a disasterous gas-tank. I can't imagine what he'd look like after five years off, tens of thousands of cans of Forged Stout and an uncountable number of lines………. learned on the set of Road House.

    My instinct after seeing you say you'd be confident in Conor winning would be to offer you a wager, as I would be VERY confident Max would beat him. But i'd imagine it wouldn't do you much good as if they fought, you'd get much better odds from a bookmaker. Surely Conor would be the underdog.

    If not, come back and i'll give you Evens :)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,285 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    I understand the type a pressure Max can apply.. but here is the thing vs Conor: I think he’s too wary of Conor’s striking power and accuracy. I reckon Conor walks him down and completely contains him. I think Max fights very defensively and timidly. Conor’s just a bad style match and physically wrong for Max



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,611 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    I think that might have been true at one point. But a man who has squandered his prime years with drink, drugs and is showing early signs of CTE? He's not the McGregor who beat Eddie Alvarez. Well, I don't thnk he is. I haven't seen him fight in 5 years.

    In that time though i've been Max fight approx eight times against the best in the world. Max might be coming to the end of his career, but Conor's end was a long time ago.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,750 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    That says a lot with the absolute state of America these days.

    They are welcome to him.

    He is not the draw he was either, he is a carnival barker at this point. Viewing numbers would be in the drain, give over.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,258 ✭✭✭Inviere


    Not a heavy hitter and not strong? You did watch the Gaethje fight yeah?? 2026 McGregor hasn't a hope tbh.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,285 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    not a heavy hitter. Justin was out on his feet just before he got caught. Max is way more a cumulative puncher! Not saying he has feather fists!! But not heavy either.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,128 ✭✭✭Homelander


    Max is definitely not a heavy hitter. Obviously still a brilliant fighter but he is a volume puncher.

    I wouldn't overall favor McGregor over Max at this stage but he would definitely still be dangerous to Max in the earlier rounds.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,612 ✭✭✭Dr Robert


    I hope he gets flattened if he ever fights again. Ireland's shame.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,258 ✭✭✭Inviere


    Definitely a volume puncher rather than a knockout specialist, but I wouldn't go as far as to say he's not strong. You know the typical drunk, flat footed, mouth breathing look that even prime lightweight McGregor (post-Alvarez) always got after the first round and a half? Can you imagine him now, Max would maul him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,750 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    What is up with people talking about McGregor in 2026 like it is 2016?

    Time waits for no one, it really doesn't wait when you spend your spare time drinking and horsing coke.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,285 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    If Conor is there in rds 2/3 and somewhat fresh he’ll finish him. If not, in rd 1



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,285 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    it’s not that simple! He’s clearly past it, but so is Max. Nobody’s saying Conor today is as dangerous or as capable as Conor from 2016; but if he prepares he can still perform and still be very dangerous with his fists against Holloway. Holloway isn’t close to some prime beast!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,128 ✭✭✭Homelander


    Because even a lesser version of himself is still a potentially OK fighter, even if his best days are long gone.

    He's 37 not 50. Some guys fight with success until late 30's or 40. Jim Miller is still fighting in the LW division at 42.

    No-one here is talking about him going on some monumental championship run so I'm not really sure what your comment is even really about.

    People act like losing twice to one of the best fighters on the roster in Porier somehow proves McGregor is a useless bum who isn't capable of fighting a crisp packet.

    There is no reason McGregor couldn't put on a decent fight at this point regardless of whether or wins or not, especially if he fights someone below elite level like Dan Hooker or Mike Chandler.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,750 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    At least Max has been active. McGregor hasn't been.

    It is wishful thinking to think IF he prepares he will be dangerous. Even against Dustin he looked past it, he would be slaughtered.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,750 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    He's 37 not 50. Some guys fight with success until late 30's or 40. Jim Miller is still fighting in the LW division at 42.

    Yeah, and that simply comes down to lifestyle choices. Of which, McGregor has made some very bad ones, that has an impact on how long you can compete at any level for.

    No-one here is talking about him going on some monumental championship run so I'm not really sure what your comment is even really about.

    It is pretty simple, the idea of him fighting again after 5 years is laughable.

    People act like losing twice to one of the best fighters on the roster in Porier somehow proves McGregor is a useless bum who isn't capable of fighting a crisp packet.

    It was 5 years ago, he was pieced up at ease. Today, that would be just as worse.

    There is no reason McGregor couldn't put on a decent fight at this point regardless of whether or wins or not, especially if he fights someone below elite level like Dan Hooker or Mike Chandler.

    McGregor is far below elite level right now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 42,765 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    He's done everything you don't do if you want to be an elite level fighter.

    He'll be fighting a non stop puncher in Holloway. He always gassed after a round and a bit when at his best, he'll be gasping for air after two minutes against Max.

    Max will get the stoppage and hopefully it's a real bad one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,285 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    activity isn’t always advantageous. And particularly if you’ve been in some wars.

    McGregor has hardly been sitting on his hole the last few years getting old n fat. Been ticking over fair bit training here and there etc.

    Maybe Holloway’s past few active years in tough fights will do him less favours here.

    Anyway, Max winning wouldn’t be a surprise, but if I were betting I’d be somewhat confident that Conor’s style and physicality are bad for Holloway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,254 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    If McGregor puts in his absolute best shift at this stage he potentially has 2 or 3 good minutes in him before getting overwhelmed and knocked out/submitted. If he makes it to the end of the first round against a ranked fighter they should throw in the towel for his own safety.

    At this point he should be fighting other has beens like Diaz which in itself would be a huge seller even though they're both way past it. If he fights a current UFC opponent a legend like Cub Swanson makes sense. He's 43 has previous history with McGregor and he's stayed commited to the game unlike McGregor. He deserves a big send off.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,285 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    gassed rds 3 onwards against bigger and stronger opponents than Max. In their actual fight years ago over 3 rds it was a walk in the park win for Conor!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,750 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    activity isn’t always advantageous. And particularly if you’ve been in some wars.

    It is more beneficial over inactivity. Especially when that inactivity involves alcohol, court cases and drugs.

    McGregor has hardly been sitting on his hole the last few years getting old n fat. Been ticking over fair bit training here and there etc.

    That is a far cry from being an active fighter. He has ballooned in size, and he might as well have been sitting on his hole.

    Maybe Holloway’s past few active years in tough fights will do him less favours here.

    Rubbish compared to McGregor.

    Anyway, Max winning wouldn’t be a surprise, but if I were betting I’d be somewhat confident that Conor’s style and physicality are bad for Holloway.

    Your train of thought here is stuck in the very distant past.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,285 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    ask yourself a simple question. Could Conor find Max’s chin? Max is past it, was knocked clean out practically vs a smaller Topuira. It won’t take Conor 3/4 or 5 rds to nail him



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,750 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    What year are you living in FFS?

    You are talking as if McGregor never lost a step, he was murdered by Dustin, twice, but you think he has a chance against an active fighter?

    3/4 or 5 rounds…he couldn't even last that 5 years ago. Have a word with yourself.



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